Re: Getting started learning VB6

  • From: Jacques Bosch <jfbosch@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:30:30 +0200

I must be an exception to the rule. :)
But I am definitely not advocating that you shouldn't go for a formal
education if at all possible. I was only sharing my story. But then I really
did work very hard at it and have read very many books and articles over the
last 12 years, and had some good input from prior colleagues.
However, I know several good professionals that have similar stories here in
SA.


Jacques

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:18 PM, RicksPlace <ofbgmail@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>  Hi: There is just no substitute for a quality formal education. Ask the
> folks who run the Human Resources Department at any major company or
> government agency. Perhaps overseas this is diferent. I have found the
> education systems quite diferent here and abroad as well as the hiring
> practices. Here in the United States there is no question that you need some
> University level education if you want to get a job with a Major Company
> where you might be able to work for many years and make a living wage for
> your family.There always exceptions but they are very, very rare.
> If you do not live in the U.S. or you think you can make a living
> contracting at world-wide competitive wages such as in India, Bangladesh,
> Romainia  or other Third World Developing countries then you can go for
> it. But, if you want a job with GM, Ford, BA, AAA, AA, MERC or any other
> major company or any Us or State or even Local Government agency you will
> need some level of formal education. Again there might be an exception to
> this, especially if you are blind, but it is not likely nor will you find
> any channels for professional advancement in your career.
> Rick USA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Jacques Bosch <jfbosch@xxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 16, 2011 6:48 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Getting started learning VB6
>
> Well, in most cases, probably. But I still maintain, not in all.
> But, hey, that is just me and MHO :)
>
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:26 PM, John G <jglists0@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> i think a clear distinction needs to be drawn between
>> programming
>> and
>> engineering, the latter being a skill or a set of skills for which a
>> formal training is essential.
>>
>>
>> At 11:12 16/02/2011, you wrote:
>>
>>> Hi: If you are considering becoming a Professional, there is no
>>> substitute for a formal education at a quality University. If you get a
>>> degree from a good State  University you will have the logic, cognitive and
>>> other skills to become a professional programmer. That is not something you
>>> are likely to do on your own. Perhaps someone else has done it but in the
>>> field they will require at least a degree, 2 or 4 years, and they will
>>> prefer experience as well. You can get the degree from the school and
>>> perhaps some experience there as well through the Financial Aid Center or by
>>> volunteering to help or even tutor other students. Everything you can get to
>>> put on a resume is what you want and sitting in your paren'ts basement
>>> playing with your computer is not likely to give you much to put on a
>>> resume.
>>> Rick USA
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Littlefield, Tyler" <
>>> tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 4:51 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Getting started learning VB6
>>>
>>>
>>> .net comes with compilers, as far as I know. the user could learn a
>>>> worth-while language, while still learning to program. You will not find to
>>>> many job opportunities around that use Libertybasic, if any, as well as the
>>>> fact that you need to pay for Libertybasic, and it still has an IDE as well
>>>> as a really whacked syntax you need to learn. I believe (and many schools
>>>> seem to be thinking along the same lines as I am), that the OP would be 
>>>> fine
>>>> learning something like that.
>>>> On 2/15/2011 1:20 PM, RicksPlace wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi: Mono sounds nice but I would not recommend it for a raw beginner.
>>>>> Actually I would not recommend VB.net to a raw programming beginner. A 
>>>>> true
>>>>> beginner needs a really simple platform like that provided by some simple
>>>>> scripting language or a easy to learn platform like Power Basic or Liberty
>>>>> Basic. The concepts of how to write a program by solving problems one step
>>>>> at a time and then coding one statement, one step, at a time will be
>>>>> daunting enough. Trying to learn to navigate the VS IDE on top of that is
>>>>> too much to expect from a totally raw beginner. What is a variable? What
>>>>> types of variables are there? How would you open a door one step at a 
>>>>> time?
>>>>> How would you balance your checkbook one step at a time and use algebra
>>>>> symbols in the example solution along with If and End If statements. These
>>>>> are the things that a beginner needs to learn. The syntax of a language 
>>>>> are
>>>>> secondary to learning how to perform problem solving using math symbols 
>>>>> and
>>>>> then conditional statements and pseudo code and finally using the syntax 
>>>>> of
>>>>> an English Like language. Anyway, I recommend that if the beginner does 
>>>>> not
>>>>> have any programming experience he try vbscript, Liberty Basic or perhaps
>>>>> Power Basic or something along those lines to learn about using computer
>>>>> code to solve real world problems before tackling a productivity tool like
>>>>> VB.net or Visual Studio. There are e-lists dedicated to these easier
>>>>> languages and when I was learning I found those folks really helpful and
>>>>> willing to do some hand-holding while I learned about things.
>>>>> Perhaps learning to do some simple applications using VbScript would be
>>>>> a good way to learn about variables, loops and conditional statements. 
>>>>> Then
>>>>> move up to try something like VB.net.
>>>>> That way he would just write some computer statements in a text editor,
>>>>> run them as a simple script and learn about the basic programming concepts
>>>>> without worrying about the complexity of the Vb.net IDE which can be
>>>>> daunting in and of itself.
>>>>> Rick USA.
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490,
>>>>> 1, 26" <jude.dashiell@xxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 1:08 PM
>>>>> Subject: RE: Getting started learning VB6
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mono differs from dot net in that version 2.0 of dot net and mono work
>>>>> together across several platforms.  Later versions of dot net are in
>>>>> the
>>>>> works for support on mono though.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Littlefield,
>>>>> Tyler
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 12:53
>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: Re: Getting started learning VB6
>>>>>
>>>>> Mono is not the same as the .net framework. Just get the express
>>>>> edition
>>>>>
>>>>> and you're good. Also: if you are a student, you get vs 2010 free, and
>>>>> Microsoft also gives out vs 2010 ultimate to MSDNAA members.
>>>>> On 2/15/2011 9:31 AM, DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There may not be enough money to use and learn dot net.  Fortunately,
>>>>>> mono can be installed and will run on Windows as well as Linux and the
>>>>>> price tag is $0.00.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell,
>>>>>> Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 11:28
>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: RE: Getting started learning VB6
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, not without knowing your visual status.  If you have memory of
>>>>>> having had vision or better yet have a little useable vision your best
>>>>>> bet would be to learn the language with windows forms.  If you have no
>>>>>> memory of vision, then your best bet would be to learn the language
>>>>>> using the console interface, and these are two completely different
>>>>>> paths.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Otis D
>>>>>>
>>>>> Blue
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 11:22
>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: Getting started learning VB6
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Could someone suggest where I can go to learn how to use VB as a
>>>>>> beginner?
>>>>>> I would like to get the understanding of the language and how to
>>>>>>
>>>>> create
>>>>>
>>>>>> software with it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Otis Blue
>>>>>>
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