Re: Freedom Scientific's Lawyers Strike Again

Well, other guys like Henry Coanda and Aurel Vlaicu also developed airplanes and I don't think they patented what they've done. And I don't think they licenced a patent from other inventors in this field.
I don't think Christopher Columbus used a boat that was patented by its creator, or licenced by other creators from the original patent owner.
I also don't know who patented the buildings with more levels, because this should be a very important and innovative idea. 
Were the chinese? Or the egiptians?
It doesn't matter if some inventions were done a long time ago. That long time ago they didn't care about patenting something, because the speed of information was very slow, and if someone invented something, that person could enjoy the benefits a long enough time before others could steal the idea.
Now the speed of information is very fast, but the speed of life is very fast also, so should be the life of patents. 

Octavian
----- Original Message ----- From: "James Panes" <jimpanes@xxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 2:00 PM
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Hi Teddy,
In fact, all of these things were pattented at one time. So was the Cassette 
recorder and the airplane, just to name a few.
In fact the reason that airplanes have rear mounted rudder and elevators is 
that the Wright brothers pattented their system for twisting the wings to
control the plane's travel. The rudder and elevator is a way of doing the
same thing and getting around the pattent. For several decades, audio
equipment manufacturers had to lisence compact cassette technology from
Phillips Electronics.

If you do some research, you can find details regarding pattents and their
life cycles.

Regards,
Jim
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jimpanes@xxxxxxxxxxxx
"Everything is easy when you know how."
----- Original Message ----- From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 4:53 PM
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Oh yes, and then why the television is not pattented? Or the radio, the
Diesel motors, the glass, the planes, the command line console, and very
many other things?

Octavian
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Engebretson" <davide@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 9:21 PM
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You may want to look at:
http://www.jpo.go.jp/seido_e/rekishi_e/rekisie.htm

For some description of patents.  They date as far back as the 15th
century.

Cheers,
David
----- Original Message ----- From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 10:53 AM
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Yes I've read it, but only partially, because it is too long.
Too much theory for very simple things.

The patents should not exist, just like they didn't exist 100 years ago,
when the world invented very many interesting things.

Octavian
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jared Wright" <wright.jaredm@xxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 6:00 PM
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Teddy, did you read anything of the article other than the title?
*smile* Google is merely the case study drawn upon by the article. It's
general point is much more universal for all software companies.
Furthermore, its general point applies to the argument FS is basically
making with their litigation.

Jared

Octavian Rasnita wrote:

Well, the Google patents are intelligent things that no other previous
search engine creators did or think about, so they should be protected. 

But well, protected for a limited period, which it shouldn't be longer
than 10 years.
In those 10 years they have all the time to be much better than the
competition, and exactly for promoting the competition, other companies 
should be able to use those patents, and Google should try to think to
something better.

Otherwise... try to imagine now the family of the guy that invented
(and patented) the wheel. :-)
Or that invented the motors, the ways to produce and store electric
power and other things like those...



Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jared Wright"
<wright.jaredm@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 4:08 PM
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I thought this article which I came across yesterday seemed quite well 
timed. Note that it reflects only the Patint and Trademark Office's
new position and not any legally binding decision, but they are
obviously a very powerful voice in these proceedings. Additionally,
who knows what impact, if any, these developments could have on this
particular litigation that has already gone forward. Still, misguided
patent law regarding software development is obviously a hot topic
'round these parts today. *grin*

The Death of Google's Patents?
http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/2008/07/the-death-of-go.html

Octavian Rasnita wrote:

I think most of the patents are in the same situation.
Very few of them are very intelligent things that others couldn't
think about.

So the one who's faster and registers the patent is the winner.
Is it ok? Of course it isn't. This is a protection invented by the
powerful companies in their favour.

The registrar of patents should register only and only if much
intelectual work or imagination was involved for doing something. If
in the moment of the registration, or any time later, if someone
proves that patent is a simple thing that doesn't imply a big
intellectual effort, that patent should be revoked.

Why isn't so? Because as it is now, it is in favour of bigger and
powerful companies.

Octavian
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 2:21 PM
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Hi Ken,
I suspect you were being tongue in cheeck (and I love your sense of
humor!). Although legal fights can be entertaining, I don't see how 
this
is in the interest of blind people, forcing a company to spend money 
on
defending against litigation rather than on R&D to improve access to 
mainstream software.

FYI -- the patent FS claims was violated is described at
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=%226,993,707+B2%22&OS=

I'm amazed that FS thought its placemarker feature was innovative
enough
to patent.  This seems like an example of taking advantage of the
magical
nature of assistive technology to the uninformed, and then trying to leverage it in questionable trade practices for corporate gain. The 
fact
that GW was never notified of the concern while its product has been 
in
beta with public demos strongly suggests that the aim is to damage
GW
economically, not actually to protect intellectual property.

What do others think?

Jamal
On
Fri, 25 Jul
2008, Ken Perry wrote:



Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:43:30 -0700
From: Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Freedom Scientific's Lawyers Strike Again



I say let them fight and while they are fighting I hope Saratek is
coding.

Ken

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared
Wright
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 6:58 PM
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Subject: Re: Freedom Scientific's Lawyers Strike Again

Hi James, Worked here just now, so I'm not sure what's at fault.
The long
and short is that Freedom claims GW Micro's implementation of
webpage
placemarkers in Window Eyes 7 violates their patint on, I guess,
being able
to have placemarkers on a webpage. They  filed litigation today.

Jared


Jared

James Panes wrote:


Hi Guys,
Just thought I would let you know that this page is not available. 

Did FS lawyers have something to do with this?

Regards,
Jim
jimpanes@xxxxxxxxx
jimpanes@xxxxxxxxxxxx
"Everything is easy when you know how."

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jared Wright" <wright.jaredm@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:53 PM
Subject: Freedom Scientific's Lawyers Strike Again


http://www.gwmicro.com/blog/index.php/all/2008/07/24/do_companies_real
ly_compete_on_who_has_t

Read it and weep, at least if seeing screen readers compete on
their
functionality for all our general betterment is at all appealing
to you.
Jared


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