Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
- From: Florian Beijers <florianbeijers@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 19:48:53 +0200
What i've been asking the mv-dev group is just to basically talk me through a
helloWorld project where you have a textbox, which is empty, and a button that
prints ' Hello world' to the textbox. This way I get a look at GUI building,
event handlers, connections, the whole business.
Now the GUI building is the problem because I don't understand what i
previously mentioned, and I don't understand how to bring the renX framework
into it. You can find out about renX at
www.bryansmart.com
That's pretty much all I can give you, I'm afraid :D
Florian
On Apr 22, 2011, at 7:43 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
> Ah yes that is a fun bit of stuff to get your head around I just recently
> figured out the whole delegates and the other stuff is not much worse but
> your right it's no fun when you first read about it. I can tell you that
> learning to write some stuff with python actually helped me quite a bit
> because it forced me to understand that stuff. If you have code that you
> can't get to work that is the best way to post here and ask about stuff. If
> I have something I can tinker with and talk with you about it makes the work
> that much easier.
>
> ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Florian Beijers
> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 1:33 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>
> I haven't actually asked any here. And they do answer, it's just very clear
> to me that everyone who knows to what I am referring is very busy and
> doesn't appear to have time to communicate in real time.
> My questions mainly concern the renX framework maintained by some on that
> list, but also some general objective-c concepts as well that don't make
> sense because I get stuck somewhere in the middle. Thats a situation where
> mailinglist traffic sometimes just doesn't cut it. I'm all whacked out about
> connections, interface outlets, delegates ...that whole shabang.
>
> FLorian
> On Apr 22, 2011, at 7:27 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
>
>> Interesting no one answers you there? I will try to answer but I have
>> actually not been reading your questions. Can you ask again.
>>
>>
>> David should also be able to answer some but if you're doing IOS its
> pretty
>> much a new field for blind coders. I have found some good resources
> though.
>> So ask again I would go hunt through the archives but I have a hard enough
>> time finding time to complain here or keep up with other threads.
>>
>> Ken
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Florian
> Beijers
>> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 1:15 PM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>
>> Hi Ken,
>>
>> You mean mv-dev on google groups? Cuz that's the people I was referring
> to.
>> Also, mac development was just an example. I would very much like realtime
>> conversations to be possible. In fact i'd set up a teamtalk server or IRC
>> server myself, but I'm afraid my current router setup prevents me from
> doing
>> so.
>> On Apr 22, 2011, at 6:57 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
>>
>>> Never say never on mac development I just don't have time to answer. I
>> wish
>>> I did. I suggest going to the mac dev list for the time being.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill Cox
>>> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 11:39 AM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>
>>> It sounds to me like there is interest in some sort of mentoring
>>> program. We wouldn't be able, for example, to help Florian with Mac
>>> development, since that's not what any of us seem to currently do.
>>> But, we could gain some visibility on national web sites and we could
>>> have a membership list, possibly on nonvisualdevelopment.org.
>>>
>>> Should I take the next step, and compile a list of potential mentors,
>>> see if nonvisualdevelopment.org can help, or possibly IAVIT.org? We
>>> could take this topic off-list as well.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 3:02 AM, Florian-achtige
>>> <florianbeijers@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I myself kind of like the ideas proposed here.
>>>> I mean, sure. The list is great and has answered a lot of questions
>>>> for me but I sometimes run into a scenario described earlier in this
>>>> thread, where it was said that for every question answered, two more
>>>> pop up.
>>>> That's my current situation on objective-C and cocoa development on
>>>> the mac. There's a system to do autolayouts in xCode 3, but there's
>>>> only a couple of people who actually use it much and they appear to be
>>>> quite busy. I have asked repeatedly for realtime help but cannot get
>>>> any further then mailinglist traffic and for this that simply is not
>>>> enough for me to grasp some concepts. This kind of problem could be
>>>> lessened a great deal already if something like an IRC channel or a
>>>> teamtalk server would be available where people can help eachother in
>>>> realtime, maybe even talk people through a process and getting
>>>> feedback from their speech. I've done that before on Skype when I was
>>>> giving tech support and found this approach to work quite well.
>>>>
>>>> Florian
>>>>
>>>> 2011/4/22, Sina Bahram <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree, yours wasn't the message I was referring to.
>>>>>
>>>>> Take care,
>>>>> Sina
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 8:52 PM
>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: RE: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>>>
>>>>> Um come on folks I said non visual page the one that people are using
>>> here
>>>>> already. I never said anything like attach them to one of the access
>>>>> companies good grief.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sina Bahram
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 5:41 PM
>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: RE: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's just be careful with association. I like thinking of this list as
>>> an
>>>>> unincorporated sort of entity. We welcome all idiologies,
>>>>> approaches, learning styles, etc, and I feel that tighing us too
> closely
>>> to
>>>>> the various federations, associations, etc, might not be
>>>>> the best of moves.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a thought
>>>>>
>>>>> Take care,
>>>>> Sina
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 5:36 PM
>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Ken! there you go guys. A really, really simple but powerful
>>> action.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just attach this list to some popular website for the blind and
> visually
>>>>> disabled and spread the word!
>>>>> Oh ya, students get all kinds of goodies from some companies ie.
>>> Microsoft
>>>>> if they only know where and how to get them.
>>>>> Now, who has a professional website? What about one of theNational
>>>>> Federations or Associations etc...
>>>>> They have sites visited by many blind folks in many professional fields
>>> and
>>>>> are well known by many in the Accessibility Community. They are also
>>> likely
>>>>>
>>>>> to be one of the first sites visited by newly blind students with
>>> computers.
>>>>> One more might be the NLSB or other groups who provide text books and,
>>> or,
>>>>> translation services to educational institutions and students.
>>>>> Rick USA
>>>>> Rick USA
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 4:18 PM
>>>>> Subject: RE: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> If we had a web page that supported blind coders and this list was
>>>>>> attached
>>>>>> to it I could probably get us in the APH monthly news letter which
> goes
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> to all school systems
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 2:29 PM
>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One suggestion might be to figure out a way to inform all blind or
>>>>>> visually
>>>>>> impaired students at all High Schools and Universities of this list -
>>>>>> perhaps through the Screen Reader companies or through tvarious State
>>>>>> Agencies.
>>>>>> Rick USA
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 12:46 PM
>>>>>> Subject: re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> This is where the mailing list comes in. In other words, we already
>>> have
>>>>>>> a system like this in place.
>>>>>>> I'll be glad to help out if I can.
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Joseph
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: Bill Cox <waywardgeek@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Date sent: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 10:25:40 -0400
>>>>>>> Subject: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Instead of trying to start an on-line school for blind programmers,
>>>>>>> would it be possible to organize as a volunteer organization to
> mentor
>>>>>>> people with vision impairments to become good programmers? For
>>>>>>> example, you guys mostly had to figure it out on your own, so you can
>>>>>>> say you've already trained one programmer. What if we try to get
>>>>>>> people to train two? So, if several of us agreed to train one person
>>>>>>> with a vision impairment for free, and over a long period of time,
> and
>>>>>>> in return we ask those people do the same for two other people, could
>>>>>>> we build a growing organization of mentors with vision impairments
>>>>>>> large enough to make a real difference?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill
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