RE: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 22:22:59 -0400
That link I sent you has an entire program on it.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Florian Beijers
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 2:47 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
Hey,
You mean the one with the alert and the button? I don't really see the
completed app anywhere, just his latest posts talking about what line to go
where but not really explaining it all. DId i miss something? :D
On Apr 23, 2011, at 6:04 AM, Ken Perry wrote:
> Did you read the sample program there to?
>
> Ken
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Florian
Beijers
> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 2:28 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>
> Ok ...I just signed up for it. I just guessed on what went where in the
> editboxes :P not labelled :P But i'll have a look
>
> On Apr 22, 2011, at 8:11 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
>
>> Ok here you go this has a getting started class at the top of the page
you
>> can sign up for and below it has a very simple app. It's for the IPhone
> but
>> you can easily do it for mac to.
>>
>>
>
http://www.creatingiphoneapps.net/introduction/creating-iphone-application/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Florian
> Beijers
>> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 1:49 PM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>
>> What i've been asking the mv-dev group is just to basically talk me
> through
>> a helloWorld project where you have a textbox, which is empty, and a
> button
>> that prints ' Hello world' to the textbox. This way I get a look at GUI
>> building, event handlers, connections, the whole business.
>> Now the GUI building is the problem because I don't understand what i
>> previously mentioned, and I don't understand how to bring the renX
> framework
>> into it. You can find out about renX at
>> www.bryansmart.com
>>
>> That's pretty much all I can give you, I'm afraid :D
>>
>> Florian
>> On Apr 22, 2011, at 7:43 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
>>
>>> Ah yes that is a fun bit of stuff to get your head around I just
> recently
>>> figured out the whole delegates and the other stuff is not much worse
but
>>> your right it's no fun when you first read about it. I can tell you
that
>>> learning to write some stuff with python actually helped me quite a bit
>>> because it forced me to understand that stuff. If you have code that
you
>>> can't get to work that is the best way to post here and ask about stuff.
>> If
>>> I have something I can tinker with and talk with you about it makes the
>> work
>>> that much easier.
>>>
>>> ken
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Florian
>> Beijers
>>> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 1:33 PM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>
>>> I haven't actually asked any here. And they do answer, it's just very
>> clear
>>> to me that everyone who knows to what I am referring is very busy and
>>> doesn't appear to have time to communicate in real time.
>>> My questions mainly concern the renX framework maintained by some on
that
>>> list, but also some general objective-c concepts as well that don't make
>>> sense because I get stuck somewhere in the middle. Thats a situation
> where
>>> mailinglist traffic sometimes just doesn't cut it. I'm all whacked out
>> about
>>> connections, interface outlets, delegates ...that whole shabang.
>>>
>>> FLorian
>>> On Apr 22, 2011, at 7:27 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
>>>
>>>> Interesting no one answers you there? I will try to answer but I have
>>>> actually not been reading your questions. Can you ask again.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> David should also be able to answer some but if you're doing IOS its
>>> pretty
>>>> much a new field for blind coders. I have found some good resources
>>> though.
>>>> So ask again I would go hunt through the archives but I have a hard
>> enough
>>>> time finding time to complain here or keep up with other threads.
>>>>
>>>> Ken
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Florian
>>> Beijers
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 1:15 PM
>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>>
>>>> Hi Ken,
>>>>
>>>> You mean mv-dev on google groups? Cuz that's the people I was referring
>>> to.
>>>> Also, mac development was just an example. I would very much like
>> realtime
>>>> conversations to be possible. In fact i'd set up a teamtalk server or
> IRC
>>>> server myself, but I'm afraid my current router setup prevents me from
>>> doing
>>>> so.
>>>> On Apr 22, 2011, at 6:57 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Never say never on mac development I just don't have time to answer.
I
>>>> wish
>>>>> I did. I suggest going to the mac dev list for the time being.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill Cox
>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 11:39 AM
>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>>>
>>>>> It sounds to me like there is interest in some sort of mentoring
>>>>> program. We wouldn't be able, for example, to help Florian with Mac
>>>>> development, since that's not what any of us seem to currently do.
>>>>> But, we could gain some visibility on national web sites and we could
>>>>> have a membership list, possibly on nonvisualdevelopment.org.
>>>>>
>>>>> Should I take the next step, and compile a list of potential mentors,
>>>>> see if nonvisualdevelopment.org can help, or possibly IAVIT.org? We
>>>>> could take this topic off-list as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 3:02 AM, Florian-achtige
>>>>> <florianbeijers@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I myself kind of like the ideas proposed here.
>>>>>> I mean, sure. The list is great and has answered a lot of questions
>>>>>> for me but I sometimes run into a scenario described earlier in this
>>>>>> thread, where it was said that for every question answered, two more
>>>>>> pop up.
>>>>>> That's my current situation on objective-C and cocoa development on
>>>>>> the mac. There's a system to do autolayouts in xCode 3, but there's
>>>>>> only a couple of people who actually use it much and they appear to
be
>>>>>> quite busy. I have asked repeatedly for realtime help but cannot get
>>>>>> any further then mailinglist traffic and for this that simply is not
>>>>>> enough for me to grasp some concepts. This kind of problem could be
>>>>>> lessened a great deal already if something like an IRC channel or a
>>>>>> teamtalk server would be available where people can help eachother in
>>>>>> realtime, maybe even talk people through a process and getting
>>>>>> feedback from their speech. I've done that before on Skype when I was
>>>>>> giving tech support and found this approach to work quite well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Florian
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2011/4/22, Sina Bahram <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree, yours wasn't the message I was referring to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Take care,
>>>>>>> Sina
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken
Perry
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 8:52 PM
>>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Um come on folks I said non visual page the one that people are
using
>>>>> here
>>>>>>> already. I never said anything like attach them to one of the
access
>>>>>>> companies good grief.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ken
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sina
>> Bahram
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 5:41 PM
>>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let's just be careful with association. I like thinking of this list
>> as
>>>>> an
>>>>>>> unincorporated sort of entity. We welcome all idiologies,
>>>>>>> approaches, learning styles, etc, and I feel that tighing us too
>>> closely
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the various federations, associations, etc, might not be
>>>>>>> the best of moves.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just a thought
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Take care,
>>>>>>> Sina
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> RicksPlace
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 5:36 PM
>>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Ken! there you go guys. A really, really simple but powerful
>>>>> action.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just attach this list to some popular website for the blind and
>>> visually
>>>>>>> disabled and spread the word!
>>>>>>> Oh ya, students get all kinds of goodies from some companies ie.
>>>>> Microsoft
>>>>>>> if they only know where and how to get them.
>>>>>>> Now, who has a professional website? What about one of theNational
>>>>>>> Federations or Associations etc...
>>>>>>> They have sites visited by many blind folks in many professional
>> fields
>>>>> and
>>>>>>> are well known by many in the Accessibility Community. They are
also
>>>>> likely
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to be one of the first sites visited by newly blind students with
>>>>> computers.
>>>>>>> One more might be the NLSB or other groups who provide text books
> and,
>>>>> or,
>>>>>>> translation services to educational institutions and students.
>>>>>>> Rick USA
>>>>>>> Rick USA
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 4:18 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If we had a web page that supported blind coders and this list was
>>>>>>>> attached
>>>>>>>> to it I could probably get us in the APH monthly news letter which
>>> goes
>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> to all school systems
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ken
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>> RicksPlace
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 2:29 PM
>>>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One suggestion might be to figure out a way to inform all blind or
>>>>>>>> visually
>>>>>>>> impaired students at all High Schools and Universities of this list
> -
>>>>>>>> perhaps through the Screen Reader companies or through tvarious
> State
>>>>>>>> Agencies.
>>>>>>>> Rick USA
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 12:46 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>> This is where the mailing list comes in. In other words, we
> already
>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> a system like this in place.
>>>>>>>>> I'll be glad to help out if I can.
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Joseph
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: Bill Cox <waywardgeek@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> Date sent: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 10:25:40 -0400
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Instead of trying to start an on-line school for blind
programmers,
>>>>>>>>> would it be possible to organize as a volunteer organization to
>>> mentor
>>>>>>>>> people with vision impairments to become good programmers? For
>>>>>>>>> example, you guys mostly had to figure it out on your own, so you
>> can
>>>>>>>>> say you've already trained one programmer. What if we try to get
>>>>>>>>> people to train two? So, if several of us agreed to train one
>> person
>>>>>>>>> with a vision impairment for free, and over a long period of time,
>>> and
>>>>>>>>> in return we ask those people do the same for two other people,
>> could
>>>>>>>>> we build a growing organization of mentors with vision impairments
>>>>>>>>> large enough to make a real difference?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bill
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