RE: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 13:43:21 -0400
Ah yes that is a fun bit of stuff to get your head around I just recently
figured out the whole delegates and the other stuff is not much worse but
your right it's no fun when you first read about it. I can tell you that
learning to write some stuff with python actually helped me quite a bit
because it forced me to understand that stuff. If you have code that you
can't get to work that is the best way to post here and ask about stuff. If
I have something I can tinker with and talk with you about it makes the work
that much easier.
ken
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Florian Beijers
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 1:33 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
I haven't actually asked any here. And they do answer, it's just very clear
to me that everyone who knows to what I am referring is very busy and
doesn't appear to have time to communicate in real time.
My questions mainly concern the renX framework maintained by some on that
list, but also some general objective-c concepts as well that don't make
sense because I get stuck somewhere in the middle. Thats a situation where
mailinglist traffic sometimes just doesn't cut it. I'm all whacked out about
connections, interface outlets, delegates ...that whole shabang.
FLorian
On Apr 22, 2011, at 7:27 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
> Interesting no one answers you there? I will try to answer but I have
> actually not been reading your questions. Can you ask again.
>
>
> David should also be able to answer some but if you're doing IOS its
pretty
> much a new field for blind coders. I have found some good resources
though.
> So ask again I would go hunt through the archives but I have a hard enough
> time finding time to complain here or keep up with other threads.
>
> Ken
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Florian
Beijers
> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 1:15 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>
> Hi Ken,
>
> You mean mv-dev on google groups? Cuz that's the people I was referring
to.
> Also, mac development was just an example. I would very much like realtime
> conversations to be possible. In fact i'd set up a teamtalk server or IRC
> server myself, but I'm afraid my current router setup prevents me from
doing
> so.
> On Apr 22, 2011, at 6:57 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
>
>> Never say never on mac development I just don't have time to answer. I
> wish
>> I did. I suggest going to the mac dev list for the time being.
>>
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill Cox
>> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 11:39 AM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>
>> It sounds to me like there is interest in some sort of mentoring
>> program. We wouldn't be able, for example, to help Florian with Mac
>> development, since that's not what any of us seem to currently do.
>> But, we could gain some visibility on national web sites and we could
>> have a membership list, possibly on nonvisualdevelopment.org.
>>
>> Should I take the next step, and compile a list of potential mentors,
>> see if nonvisualdevelopment.org can help, or possibly IAVIT.org? We
>> could take this topic off-list as well.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 3:02 AM, Florian-achtige
>> <florianbeijers@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I myself kind of like the ideas proposed here.
>>> I mean, sure. The list is great and has answered a lot of questions
>>> for me but I sometimes run into a scenario described earlier in this
>>> thread, where it was said that for every question answered, two more
>>> pop up.
>>> That's my current situation on objective-C and cocoa development on
>>> the mac. There's a system to do autolayouts in xCode 3, but there's
>>> only a couple of people who actually use it much and they appear to be
>>> quite busy. I have asked repeatedly for realtime help but cannot get
>>> any further then mailinglist traffic and for this that simply is not
>>> enough for me to grasp some concepts. This kind of problem could be
>>> lessened a great deal already if something like an IRC channel or a
>>> teamtalk server would be available where people can help eachother in
>>> realtime, maybe even talk people through a process and getting
>>> feedback from their speech. I've done that before on Skype when I was
>>> giving tech support and found this approach to work quite well.
>>>
>>> Florian
>>>
>>> 2011/4/22, Sina Bahram <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>
>>>> I agree, yours wasn't the message I was referring to.
>>>>
>>>> Take care,
>>>> Sina
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 8:52 PM
>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: RE: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>>
>>>> Um come on folks I said non visual page the one that people are using
>> here
>>>> already. I never said anything like attach them to one of the access
>>>> companies good grief.
>>>>
>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sina Bahram
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 5:41 PM
>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: RE: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>>
>>>> Let's just be careful with association. I like thinking of this list as
>> an
>>>> unincorporated sort of entity. We welcome all idiologies,
>>>> approaches, learning styles, etc, and I feel that tighing us too
closely
>> to
>>>> the various federations, associations, etc, might not be
>>>> the best of moves.
>>>>
>>>> Just a thought
>>>>
>>>> Take care,
>>>> Sina
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 5:36 PM
>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Ken! there you go guys. A really, really simple but powerful
>> action.
>>>>
>>>> Just attach this list to some popular website for the blind and
visually
>>>> disabled and spread the word!
>>>> Oh ya, students get all kinds of goodies from some companies ie.
>> Microsoft
>>>> if they only know where and how to get them.
>>>> Now, who has a professional website? What about one of theNational
>>>> Federations or Associations etc...
>>>> They have sites visited by many blind folks in many professional fields
>> and
>>>> are well known by many in the Accessibility Community. They are also
>> likely
>>>>
>>>> to be one of the first sites visited by newly blind students with
>> computers.
>>>> One more might be the NLSB or other groups who provide text books and,
>> or,
>>>> translation services to educational institutions and students.
>>>> Rick USA
>>>> Rick USA
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 4:18 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> If we had a web page that supported blind coders and this list was
>>>>> attached
>>>>> to it I could probably get us in the APH monthly news letter which
goes
>>>>> out
>>>>> to all school systems
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 2:29 PM
>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>>>
>>>>> One suggestion might be to figure out a way to inform all blind or
>>>>> visually
>>>>> impaired students at all High Schools and Universities of this list -
>>>>> perhaps through the Screen Reader companies or through tvarious State
>>>>> Agencies.
>>>>> Rick USA
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 12:46 PM
>>>>> Subject: re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> This is where the mailing list comes in. In other words, we already
>> have
>>>>>> a system like this in place.
>>>>>> I'll be glad to help out if I can.
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Joseph
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Bill Cox <waywardgeek@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Date sent: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 10:25:40 -0400
>>>>>> Subject: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Instead of trying to start an on-line school for blind programmers,
>>>>>> would it be possible to organize as a volunteer organization to
mentor
>>>>>> people with vision impairments to become good programmers? For
>>>>>> example, you guys mostly had to figure it out on your own, so you can
>>>>>> say you've already trained one programmer. What if we try to get
>>>>>> people to train two? So, if several of us agreed to train one person
>>>>>> with a vision impairment for free, and over a long period of time,
and
>>>>>> in return we ask those people do the same for two other people, could
>>>>>> we build a growing organization of mentors with vision impairments
>>>>>> large enough to make a real difference?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill
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