Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
- From: Florian Beijers <florianbeijers@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 20:12:23 +0200
Awaiting with baited breath :P
On Apr 22, 2011, at 8:07 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
> Ok I am going to send you a web page on this list but I can't do it right
> now. The cool thing is I found a place that has a great example they don't
> even tell you to use interface builder and the best part is after you read
> it or even before you can sign up for an online class its free. The guy
> answers mails and he is willing to help if we get stuck which is why I am
> going to post it here in a sec when I find it again.
>
> ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Florian Beijers
> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 1:49 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>
> What i've been asking the mv-dev group is just to basically talk me through
> a helloWorld project where you have a textbox, which is empty, and a button
> that prints ' Hello world' to the textbox. This way I get a look at GUI
> building, event handlers, connections, the whole business.
> Now the GUI building is the problem because I don't understand what i
> previously mentioned, and I don't understand how to bring the renX framework
> into it. You can find out about renX at
> www.bryansmart.com
>
> That's pretty much all I can give you, I'm afraid :D
>
> Florian
> On Apr 22, 2011, at 7:43 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
>
>> Ah yes that is a fun bit of stuff to get your head around I just recently
>> figured out the whole delegates and the other stuff is not much worse but
>> your right it's no fun when you first read about it. I can tell you that
>> learning to write some stuff with python actually helped me quite a bit
>> because it forced me to understand that stuff. If you have code that you
>> can't get to work that is the best way to post here and ask about stuff.
> If
>> I have something I can tinker with and talk with you about it makes the
> work
>> that much easier.
>>
>> ken
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Florian
> Beijers
>> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 1:33 PM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>
>> I haven't actually asked any here. And they do answer, it's just very
> clear
>> to me that everyone who knows to what I am referring is very busy and
>> doesn't appear to have time to communicate in real time.
>> My questions mainly concern the renX framework maintained by some on that
>> list, but also some general objective-c concepts as well that don't make
>> sense because I get stuck somewhere in the middle. Thats a situation where
>> mailinglist traffic sometimes just doesn't cut it. I'm all whacked out
> about
>> connections, interface outlets, delegates ...that whole shabang.
>>
>> FLorian
>> On Apr 22, 2011, at 7:27 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting no one answers you there? I will try to answer but I have
>>> actually not been reading your questions. Can you ask again.
>>>
>>>
>>> David should also be able to answer some but if you're doing IOS its
>> pretty
>>> much a new field for blind coders. I have found some good resources
>> though.
>>> So ask again I would go hunt through the archives but I have a hard
> enough
>>> time finding time to complain here or keep up with other threads.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Florian
>> Beijers
>>> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 1:15 PM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>
>>> Hi Ken,
>>>
>>> You mean mv-dev on google groups? Cuz that's the people I was referring
>> to.
>>> Also, mac development was just an example. I would very much like
> realtime
>>> conversations to be possible. In fact i'd set up a teamtalk server or IRC
>>> server myself, but I'm afraid my current router setup prevents me from
>> doing
>>> so.
>>> On Apr 22, 2011, at 6:57 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
>>>
>>>> Never say never on mac development I just don't have time to answer. I
>>> wish
>>>> I did. I suggest going to the mac dev list for the time being.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill Cox
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 11:39 AM
>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>>
>>>> It sounds to me like there is interest in some sort of mentoring
>>>> program. We wouldn't be able, for example, to help Florian with Mac
>>>> development, since that's not what any of us seem to currently do.
>>>> But, we could gain some visibility on national web sites and we could
>>>> have a membership list, possibly on nonvisualdevelopment.org.
>>>>
>>>> Should I take the next step, and compile a list of potential mentors,
>>>> see if nonvisualdevelopment.org can help, or possibly IAVIT.org? We
>>>> could take this topic off-list as well.
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 3:02 AM, Florian-achtige
>>>> <florianbeijers@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I myself kind of like the ideas proposed here.
>>>>> I mean, sure. The list is great and has answered a lot of questions
>>>>> for me but I sometimes run into a scenario described earlier in this
>>>>> thread, where it was said that for every question answered, two more
>>>>> pop up.
>>>>> That's my current situation on objective-C and cocoa development on
>>>>> the mac. There's a system to do autolayouts in xCode 3, but there's
>>>>> only a couple of people who actually use it much and they appear to be
>>>>> quite busy. I have asked repeatedly for realtime help but cannot get
>>>>> any further then mailinglist traffic and for this that simply is not
>>>>> enough for me to grasp some concepts. This kind of problem could be
>>>>> lessened a great deal already if something like an IRC channel or a
>>>>> teamtalk server would be available where people can help eachother in
>>>>> realtime, maybe even talk people through a process and getting
>>>>> feedback from their speech. I've done that before on Skype when I was
>>>>> giving tech support and found this approach to work quite well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Florian
>>>>>
>>>>> 2011/4/22, Sina Bahram <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree, yours wasn't the message I was referring to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take care,
>>>>>> Sina
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 8:52 PM
>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: RE: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Um come on folks I said non visual page the one that people are using
>>>> here
>>>>>> already. I never said anything like attach them to one of the access
>>>>>> companies good grief.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sina
> Bahram
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 5:41 PM
>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: RE: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's just be careful with association. I like thinking of this list
> as
>>>> an
>>>>>> unincorporated sort of entity. We welcome all idiologies,
>>>>>> approaches, learning styles, etc, and I feel that tighing us too
>> closely
>>>> to
>>>>>> the various federations, associations, etc, might not be
>>>>>> the best of moves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just a thought
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take care,
>>>>>> Sina
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 5:36 PM
>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Ken! there you go guys. A really, really simple but powerful
>>>> action.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just attach this list to some popular website for the blind and
>> visually
>>>>>> disabled and spread the word!
>>>>>> Oh ya, students get all kinds of goodies from some companies ie.
>>>> Microsoft
>>>>>> if they only know where and how to get them.
>>>>>> Now, who has a professional website? What about one of theNational
>>>>>> Federations or Associations etc...
>>>>>> They have sites visited by many blind folks in many professional
> fields
>>>> and
>>>>>> are well known by many in the Accessibility Community. They are also
>>>> likely
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to be one of the first sites visited by newly blind students with
>>>> computers.
>>>>>> One more might be the NLSB or other groups who provide text books and,
>>>> or,
>>>>>> translation services to educational institutions and students.
>>>>>> Rick USA
>>>>>> Rick USA
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 4:18 PM
>>>>>> Subject: RE: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If we had a web page that supported blind coders and this list was
>>>>>>> attached
>>>>>>> to it I could probably get us in the APH monthly news letter which
>> goes
>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>> to all school systems
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ken
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> RicksPlace
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 2:29 PM
>>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One suggestion might be to figure out a way to inform all blind or
>>>>>>> visually
>>>>>>> impaired students at all High Schools and Universities of this list -
>>>>>>> perhaps through the Screen Reader companies or through tvarious State
>>>>>>> Agencies.
>>>>>>> Rick USA
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 12:46 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: re: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> This is where the mailing list comes in. In other words, we already
>>>> have
>>>>>>>> a system like this in place.
>>>>>>>> I'll be glad to help out if I can.
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Joseph
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: Bill Cox <waywardgeek@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> Date sent: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 10:25:40 -0400
>>>>>>>> Subject: Could we organize to mentor new blind coders?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Instead of trying to start an on-line school for blind programmers,
>>>>>>>> would it be possible to organize as a volunteer organization to
>> mentor
>>>>>>>> people with vision impairments to become good programmers? For
>>>>>>>> example, you guys mostly had to figure it out on your own, so you
> can
>>>>>>>> say you've already trained one programmer. What if we try to get
>>>>>>>> people to train two? So, if several of us agreed to train one
> person
>>>>>>>> with a vision impairment for free, and over a long period of time,
>> and
>>>>>>>> in return we ask those people do the same for two other people,
> could
>>>>>>>> we build a growing organization of mentors with vision impairments
>>>>>>>> large enough to make a real difference?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bill
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