Re: C++ and I are getting divorced.
- From: Alex Hall <mehgcap@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:39:37 -0400
Agreed. While I never actually need to think about how my array is
created and accessed, knowhing how it works can sometimes make more
sense out of an error, and I usually like knowing the 'why' behind
things anyway. BTW, I am also a musician, playing guitar and bass. Who
knew there were so many musical programmers here?
On 7/27/10, Tyler Littlefield <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Sure it's not needed, but you learn more of what your doing. Rather than
> creating an array of 4096 bytes so you don't have to check for lengths and
> cramming it in, you learn where that array goes. The person may not be the
> most aware programmer even still, but it does kind of help with some of
> that.
> Thanks,
> Tyler Littlefield
> http://tds-solutions.net
> Twitter: sorressean
>
> On Jul 27, 2010, at 1:22 PM, Jared Wright wrote:
>
>> I understand this prospective and started myself on C++, but think there
>> is a certain mindset that benefits from learning certain auxiliary
>> features later if possible. Think of it like a video game: the video game
>> only teaches you the gameplay elements that you need to progress to
>> the next level and teaches you more advanced concepts when a need for
>> their understanding arises. I think it's no secret that we learn faster
>> and in more useful ways in a video game setting than in the more
>> traditional academia computer science and so many other fields force down
>> students' throats.
>>
>> Additionally, C++ is less used now for basic end user applications
>> like those you start programming with anyway. I think something like Perl
>> or Python is both a better initial launchpad as well as more practical in
>> the industry moving forward. You don't even really HAVE to learn C++ now,
>> learning C# is almost more important. Yes you learn more about deep
>> programming concepts learning with it, but follow that logic and you
>> should learn in machine code, no? Even ten years ago C++ was such a common
>> language for so many types of programs. WE didn't have the nice scripting
>> language wrappers for low level functions that we enjoy now. It made
>> sense to learn it out of the gate, because it probably wasn't going to be
>> too long before you truly needed to write something real in C++. Now its
>> uses are more specialized, (and I'm talking relative to C++ ten years ago
>> here) and I think this somewhat jeopardizes it as a good starting
>> language. Just my thoughts, of course.
>>
>> On 07/27/2010 12:46 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>>> Why something "forgivving," though? IMO it's much easier to learn with
>>> something strict and move to other languages; not only will you code
>>> better, but you will understand more about what's going on, rather than
>>> just accept the fact that it does what you want however you may write it.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Tyler Littlefield
>>> http://tds-solutions.net
>>> Twitter: sorressean
>>>
>>> On Jul 27, 2010, at 8:16 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> JS because it is, as I said, quite forgiving, and it lets you practice
>>>> basics like looping and conditions without needing to worry about data
>>>> types or managing projects in a massive IDE. I do not recommend giving
>>>> up completely, rather, use another language to pin down the basics,
>>>> get good at that language, then come back to cpp to continue learning
>>>> it now that you have the concepts of OOP in your mind.
>>>>
>>>> On 7/27/10, Tyler Littlefield<tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> javascript? Seriously? python was a good solution though, you just need
>>>>> to
>>>>> get used to indentation. Better to keep slogging along with cpp than to
>>>>> switch half way through, because essentially your just giving up on
>>>>> something.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Tyler Littlefield
>>>>> http://tds-solutions.net
>>>>> Twitter: sorressean
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 27, 2010, at 8:09 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want to try programming, I recommend either Javascript (a web
>>>>>> language, but it is forgiving and easy to understand) or Python, which
>>>>>> is, in my opinion, a lot easier than cpp. I definitely do not
>>>>>> recommend giving up. As Tyler said, everyone who learns to program has
>>>>>> a rough time of it at first, but eventually you get better and learn
>>>>>> from past mistakes, and learning one language that you find you like a
>>>>>> lot will help you learn other languages in the future, since they all
>>>>>> have the underlying principles of looping, conditions, functions, and
>>>>>> so on, though they all implement these in different ways.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/27/10, Tyler Littlefield<tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess, there is a better analogy. Nothing comes to you easy; you
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> crawl before you walk, walk before you run. Look at it like playing
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>> instrument. You don't just sit down and pick up a complex song in 5
>>>>>>> minutes.
>>>>>>> Something that may help you is to go go look at code that does what
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> want. Google for like "c++ elseif" and see what pops up.
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Tyler Littlefield
>>>>>>> http://tds-solutions.net
>>>>>>> Twitter: sorressean
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 27, 2010, at 7:55 AM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you want to give up after the first few syntax errors, go for
>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>> Otherwise, keep working, your going through what everyone who learns
>>>>>>>> c++
>>>>>>>> did, and you'll get it.
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Tyler Littlefield
>>>>>>>> http://tds-solutions.net
>>>>>>>> Twitter: sorressean
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 27, 2010, at 7:52 AM, Jes wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lol thought I'd put a humorous subject in there to try and lift my
>>>>>>>>> spirits a little bit. I've been working on a project for five days
>>>>>>>>> straight, sacrificing sleep and other stuff to get the stupid thing
>>>>>>>>> done,
>>>>>>>>> and I've decided that while I like programming, C++ is a bit to
>>>>>>>>> complicated for me at this point. I am a musician, so after I get
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> beast of an assignment done, I'm divorcing C++ and moving back to
>>>>>>>>> music
>>>>>>>>> for a bit. Audio editors and sequencers all do whatever I tell
>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>> too,
>>>>>>>>> they don't bitch at me like M S Visual Studio or GCC.
>>>>>>>>> As the average pc user declares, "They, just, work. "
>>>>>>>>> Grin. I won't be able to make anything more than simple programs,
>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>> matter how much I like programming.
>>>>>>>>>
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