RE: Advice for a programmer losing vision?

If you like to share share the free programs for example use www.satogo.com
for a screen reader or use nvda both good choices if you want free.  The
more people use the free programs the more Jaws, and window-eyes will have
to drop their prices.  All you do when you steal their software is give them
a  target to hunt.  After posting what you did I would not be surprised if
you get an interesting email from Freedom Scientifics law office.

Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of doctor love
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:57 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?

I'm sorry. is just that I like to share. I won't do it again.

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From: "Tyler Littlefield" <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:33 AM
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?

> that made my head hurt.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Tyler Littlefield
> Web: tysdomain.com
> email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> My programs don't have bugs, they're called randomly added features.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "doctor love" <minimack_19@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:19 AM
> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>
>
>>I don't wana make a fuss of everything. well, it's all rite. cuz, I was 
>>just trying to be nice to help out someone. he bought the program yes. he 
>>gave us a coppy because he can get anything from us. I told him it's to 
>>help out a person who's now becoming blind and he needs a screan-reader. 
>>If I'm not to be on the list, please let me know. I'm not a guy who likes 
>>to make a fuss. I'm not going to take someone's program and call it mine. 
>>no no no. that's not me. I was just trying to be helpful. you said that 
>>I'll not be welcome on the list. if this is true, I'll unsubscribe. that's

>>just my way. I like to help others. I'm a kind and generous person and 
>>like to share. I'm not vex that you say that. I just want to understand. 
>>you see, from small, I never had any friends. now I'm older and I like to 
>>help others to make friends. by helping, we can become friends. I consider

>>all of you guys who are also blind a family.
>> I'm just trying to learn and maby someday I can do something with my 
>> knowledge.
>> sorry if I made you upset. if you're the owner of the list, if I'm not 
>> welcome as a person, I'll unsubscribe.
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Tyler Littlefield" <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:20 AM
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>
>>> And I'm sure that sharing music is going to help others, how exactly? 
>>> Giving away free coppies of a $1200 program isn't going to make the 
>>> money saving experience much easier for those who actually paid for the 
>>> program, or for those who aren't stupid enough to advertize cracks on 
>>> lists full of professional programmers, in the hopes that he'll be 
>>> welcomed as a "nice person."
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Tyler Littlefield
>>> Web: tysdomain.com
>>> email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> My programs don't have bugs, they're called randomly added features.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "doctor love" <minimack_19@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 10:13 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>
>>>
>>>> it saves us on money lol. if you guys wish, I won't shear programs on 
>>>> this list. but, I'd like to cuz I'm a nice person . how ever I'd like 
>>>> to share everything I have. from music to software. and I just like 
>>>> helping others.
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Tyler Littlefield" <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:06 AM
>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>>
>>>>> Sighs, I really have to wonder why people don't use common sense 
>>>>> before they just offer a $1200 program up for free, which is clearly 
>>>>> protected by copyright in the middle of public.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Tyler Littlefield
>>>>> Web: tysdomain.com
>>>>> email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> My programs don't have bugs, they're called randomly added features.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "doctor love" <minimack_19@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 10:04 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> hae bill, you can contact me on skype. I have a version of jaws if you

>>>>> want a coppy. my friend buys jaws every year and then gives us a 
>>>>> coppy. I've talked it over with him and he said I can give you a 
>>>>> coppy. but, I've download a coppy of jaws from torrents and it's good 
>>>>> as well. how ever, I'll give you a coppy of jaws which I got from my 
>>>>> friend. If you'd like to contact me, you can on msn at
>>>>> mackrishi@xxxxxxxx
>>>>> or you can contact me on skype. my skype name is zmackrishi. by the 
>>>>> way, I'd like a little help from you also. I'm now learning 
>>>>> programing. I've just started. or you can say that I haven't started 
>>>>> cuz, I haven't started one. I need to know what I have to learn, and 
>>>>> what I have to get. I have vissual basic rite now. and I really want 
>>>>> to do this. I heard that this list is the best.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Bill Cox
>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 2:46 PM
>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Jackie, and everyone for the replies.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have to say, it's a load off my shoulders knowing that many other 
>>>>> programmers succeed with visual impairment.  I'm more adaptable than 
>>>>> most, and am pretty sure I'll do OK.  The emacspeak project looks most

>>>>> promising to me in my situation (long-time emacs hacker, with 
>>>>> peripheral vision that should work long-term).  I'll be able to use 
>>>>> apps I'm familiar with with magnification sometimes (like skype).  I'm

>>>>> having trouble installing any speech synthesizer it works with on my 
>>>>> Kubuntu 9.04 x64 system, though. I'll post to the emacspeak list, and 
>>>>> if I have to, I'll write some support for other speech synthesis 
>>>>> back-ends.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not that it's critical now, but if I'm going to bother writing a 
>>>>> back-end for emacspeak to support another speech synthesizer, which 
>>>>> synthesizer would you recommend?  I've installed both festival and 
>>>>> espeak.  I've also listened to demos of Cepstral, which sound much 
>>>>> better to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Bill
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Jackie McBride <abletec@xxxxxxxxx> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hi, Bill:
>>>>>
>>>>>  1st, I do know what you're going thru. It bites.
>>>>>
>>>>>  U asked a question about whether u should use magnification or
>>>>>  screenreader. generally speaking, the conventional wisdom has it that
>>>>>  once you're at 5x magnification or above, productivity decreases to
>>>>>  such a level that screenreading software should be employed. This is
>>>>>  not to say that being able to zoom in on a particular spot might not
>>>>>  be helpful, but that it takes so much time to navigate the screen
>>>>>  using magnification that productivity suffers. It should also be 
>>>>> noted
>>>>>  that eyestrain using magnification software can result in headache &
>>>>>  fatigue. Often, if system requirements permit, screenreading software
>>>>>  & magnification can function together to create a more powerful
>>>>>  solution than either technology alone.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Regarding learning braille, there are a variety of factors to
>>>>>  consider, including tactile sensitivity & desire to learn. I 
>>>>> recommend
>>>>>  it for those who can, but, for example, many w/diabetic
>>>>>  retinopathy/neuropathy find it to be more frustrating than it's 
>>>>> worth.
>>>>>
>>>>>  I really suggest that u not only avail yourself of the resources on
>>>>>  this list, which are considerable, but also contact your state
>>>>>  vocational rehabilitation department/commission for the blind, as the
>>>>>  case may be. They should surely be able to assist u, especially as it
>>>>>  relates to learning braille. Also, Hadley School for the blind in
>>>>>  Winnetka, IL, has braille courses, though I think u probably have to
>>>>>  be legally blind in order to access those.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Please let me know if u think I may be of further assistance.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  On 6/15/09, Haden Pike <haden.pike@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>  > The orca screen reader, part of gnome, supports magnification.
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  > Haden Pike
>>>>>  > Email: haden.pike@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  > --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>  > From: "Holdsworth, Lynn" <Lynn.Holdsworth@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>  > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:16 AM
>>>>>  > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>  > Subject: RE: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  >> And there must surely be a plethora of free and cheap screen
>>>>>  >> magnification solutions for Linux. Anybody know anything about 
>>>>> those?
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>  >> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>  >> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tyler
>>>>>  >> Littlefield
>>>>>  >> Sent: 15 June 2009 16:09
>>>>>  >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>  >> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >> Bill,
>>>>>  >> Something you might check out is the speakup project found at:
>>>>>  >> http://linux-speakup.org
>>>>>  >> They have a mailling list, and a good community.
>>>>>  >> Basically speakup is the community for one of the linux screen 
>>>>> readers
>>>>>  >> that is out, that uses espeak,flite,or festival.
>>>>>  >> HTH,
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >> Thanks,
>>>>>  >> Tyler Littlefield
>>>>>  >> Web: tysdomain.com
>>>>>  >> email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>  >> My programs don't have bugs, they're called randomly added 
>>>>> features.
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>  >> From: "Bill Cox" <waywardgeek@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>  >> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>  >> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 9:03 AM
>>>>>  >> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >>> Thanks, Jim.
>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>  >>> It makes me feel a lot better to hear you say that.  I've been 
>>>>> here
>>>>>  >>> before,
>>>>>  >>> with the typing problem, and there wasn't much of any community 
>>>>> at the
>>>>>  >>
>>>>>  >>> time
>>>>>  >>> to help.  Yes, I will most likely stay in the linux world, though

>>>>> I
>>>>>  >> would
>>>>>  >>> not rule out controlling linux boxes through cygwin bash shells 
>>>>> and
>>>>>  >> emacs
>>>>>  >>> like I did before.  I also hope to help with development of some 
>>>>> of
>>>>>  >> the
>>>>>  >>> tools being used.
>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>  >>> Bill
>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>  >>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Homme, James
>>>>>  >>> <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>  >>>>  Hi Bill,
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>> You can definitely be productive as a programmer in your 
>>>>> situation.
>>>>>  >>>> According to me, you have come to the right place to ask these 
>>>>> kinds
>>>>>  >> of
>>>>>  >>>> things. We have a lot of great people on this list. Do you want 
>>>>> to
>>>>>  >> stay
>>>>>  >>>> in
>>>>>  >>>> the Linux world?
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>> Thanks.
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>> Jim
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>> ----------
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>> Jim Homme, Usability Engineering.
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>> 412-544-1810.
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>> Note: I will reply to email and voice mail within four hours.
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>> "Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence.
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>> "Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful 
>>>>> people
>>>>>  >> with
>>>>>  >>>> talent.
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>> "Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb.
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>> "Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts.
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>> "Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent."
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>> - Calvin Coolidge (1872-1933)
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>> *From:* programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>>>  >>>> programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Bill Cox
>>>>>  >>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2009 10:32 AM
>>>>>  >>>> *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>  >>>> *Subject:* Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>> Hi.
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>> Sorry if you get a lot of first-time dumb posts, like this. 
>>>>> I've got
>>>>>  >> a
>>>>>  >>>> rare genetic defect that's causing me to lose my central vision.
>>>>>  >> It's a
>>>>>  >>>> lot
>>>>>  >>>> like macular degeneration, but I'm only 45 years old.  I've been

>>>>> a
>>>>>  >>>> programmer all my life, and have succeeded in dealing with 
>>>>> disability
>>>>>  >>>> before.  I could not type for three years.  I mostly program in 
>>>>> C on
>>>>>  >>>> Linux.
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>> What tools should I learn, what forums should I join, and what 
>>>>> skills
>>>>>  >>>> should I develop to stay a productive programmer?  I'm very good

>>>>> at
>>>>>  >>>> building
>>>>>  >>>> custom environments, which I did when I couldn't type.  For 
>>>>> example,
>>>>>  >>>> should
>>>>>  >>>> I bother with Braille, and which screen readers are best for 
>>>>> mail,
>>>>>  >> web
>>>>>  >>>> browsing (and which browser?), and controlling shells and emacs?

>>>>> I
>>>>>  >>>> expect
>>>>>  >>>> to have peripheral vision for a long time.  Do programmers with 
>>>>> only
>>>>>  >>>> peripheral vision fare better reading text up close, or using 
>>>>> screen
>>>>>  >>>> readers?
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>> Thanks,
>>>>>  >>>> Bill
>>>>>  >>>>
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