RE: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:40:13 -0400
If you like to share share the free programs for example use www.satogo.com
for a screen reader or use nvda both good choices if you want free. The
more people use the free programs the more Jaws, and window-eyes will have
to drop their prices. All you do when you steal their software is give them
a target to hunt. After posting what you did I would not be surprised if
you get an interesting email from Freedom Scientifics law office.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of doctor love
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:57 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
I'm sorry. is just that I like to share. I won't do it again.
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From: "Tyler Littlefield" <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:33 AM
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
> that made my head hurt.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Tyler Littlefield
> Web: tysdomain.com
> email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> My programs don't have bugs, they're called randomly added features.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "doctor love" <minimack_19@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:19 AM
> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>
>
>>I don't wana make a fuss of everything. well, it's all rite. cuz, I was
>>just trying to be nice to help out someone. he bought the program yes. he
>>gave us a coppy because he can get anything from us. I told him it's to
>>help out a person who's now becoming blind and he needs a screan-reader.
>>If I'm not to be on the list, please let me know. I'm not a guy who likes
>>to make a fuss. I'm not going to take someone's program and call it mine.
>>no no no. that's not me. I was just trying to be helpful. you said that
>>I'll not be welcome on the list. if this is true, I'll unsubscribe. that's
>>just my way. I like to help others. I'm a kind and generous person and
>>like to share. I'm not vex that you say that. I just want to understand.
>>you see, from small, I never had any friends. now I'm older and I like to
>>help others to make friends. by helping, we can become friends. I consider
>>all of you guys who are also blind a family.
>> I'm just trying to learn and maby someday I can do something with my
>> knowledge.
>> sorry if I made you upset. if you're the owner of the list, if I'm not
>> welcome as a person, I'll unsubscribe.
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Tyler Littlefield" <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:20 AM
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>
>>> And I'm sure that sharing music is going to help others, how exactly?
>>> Giving away free coppies of a $1200 program isn't going to make the
>>> money saving experience much easier for those who actually paid for the
>>> program, or for those who aren't stupid enough to advertize cracks on
>>> lists full of professional programmers, in the hopes that he'll be
>>> welcomed as a "nice person."
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Tyler Littlefield
>>> Web: tysdomain.com
>>> email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> My programs don't have bugs, they're called randomly added features.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "doctor love" <minimack_19@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 10:13 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>
>>>
>>>> it saves us on money lol. if you guys wish, I won't shear programs on
>>>> this list. but, I'd like to cuz I'm a nice person . how ever I'd like
>>>> to share everything I have. from music to software. and I just like
>>>> helping others.
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Tyler Littlefield" <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:06 AM
>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>>
>>>>> Sighs, I really have to wonder why people don't use common sense
>>>>> before they just offer a $1200 program up for free, which is clearly
>>>>> protected by copyright in the middle of public.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Tyler Littlefield
>>>>> Web: tysdomain.com
>>>>> email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> My programs don't have bugs, they're called randomly added features.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "doctor love" <minimack_19@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 10:04 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> hae bill, you can contact me on skype. I have a version of jaws if you
>>>>> want a coppy. my friend buys jaws every year and then gives us a
>>>>> coppy. I've talked it over with him and he said I can give you a
>>>>> coppy. but, I've download a coppy of jaws from torrents and it's good
>>>>> as well. how ever, I'll give you a coppy of jaws which I got from my
>>>>> friend. If you'd like to contact me, you can on msn at
>>>>> mackrishi@xxxxxxxx
>>>>> or you can contact me on skype. my skype name is zmackrishi. by the
>>>>> way, I'd like a little help from you also. I'm now learning
>>>>> programing. I've just started. or you can say that I haven't started
>>>>> cuz, I haven't started one. I need to know what I have to learn, and
>>>>> what I have to get. I have vissual basic rite now. and I really want
>>>>> to do this. I heard that this list is the best.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Bill Cox
>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 2:46 PM
>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Jackie, and everyone for the replies.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have to say, it's a load off my shoulders knowing that many other
>>>>> programmers succeed with visual impairment. I'm more adaptable than
>>>>> most, and am pretty sure I'll do OK. The emacspeak project looks most
>>>>> promising to me in my situation (long-time emacs hacker, with
>>>>> peripheral vision that should work long-term). I'll be able to use
>>>>> apps I'm familiar with with magnification sometimes (like skype). I'm
>>>>> having trouble installing any speech synthesizer it works with on my
>>>>> Kubuntu 9.04 x64 system, though. I'll post to the emacspeak list, and
>>>>> if I have to, I'll write some support for other speech synthesis
>>>>> back-ends.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not that it's critical now, but if I'm going to bother writing a
>>>>> back-end for emacspeak to support another speech synthesizer, which
>>>>> synthesizer would you recommend? I've installed both festival and
>>>>> espeak. I've also listened to demos of Cepstral, which sound much
>>>>> better to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Bill
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Jackie McBride <abletec@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, Bill:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1st, I do know what you're going thru. It bites.
>>>>>
>>>>> U asked a question about whether u should use magnification or
>>>>> screenreader. generally speaking, the conventional wisdom has it that
>>>>> once you're at 5x magnification or above, productivity decreases to
>>>>> such a level that screenreading software should be employed. This is
>>>>> not to say that being able to zoom in on a particular spot might not
>>>>> be helpful, but that it takes so much time to navigate the screen
>>>>> using magnification that productivity suffers. It should also be
>>>>> noted
>>>>> that eyestrain using magnification software can result in headache &
>>>>> fatigue. Often, if system requirements permit, screenreading software
>>>>> & magnification can function together to create a more powerful
>>>>> solution than either technology alone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regarding learning braille, there are a variety of factors to
>>>>> consider, including tactile sensitivity & desire to learn. I
>>>>> recommend
>>>>> it for those who can, but, for example, many w/diabetic
>>>>> retinopathy/neuropathy find it to be more frustrating than it's
>>>>> worth.
>>>>>
>>>>> I really suggest that u not only avail yourself of the resources on
>>>>> this list, which are considerable, but also contact your state
>>>>> vocational rehabilitation department/commission for the blind, as the
>>>>> case may be. They should surely be able to assist u, especially as it
>>>>> relates to learning braille. Also, Hadley School for the blind in
>>>>> Winnetka, IL, has braille courses, though I think u probably have to
>>>>> be legally blind in order to access those.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please let me know if u think I may be of further assistance.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/15/09, Haden Pike <haden.pike@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> > The orca screen reader, part of gnome, supports magnification.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Haden Pike
>>>>> > Email: haden.pike@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> > From: "Holdsworth, Lynn" <Lynn.Holdsworth@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:16 AM
>>>>> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> > Subject: RE: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> And there must surely be a plethora of free and cheap screen
>>>>> >> magnification solutions for Linux. Anybody know anything about
>>>>> those?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> >> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> >> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tyler
>>>>> >> Littlefield
>>>>> >> Sent: 15 June 2009 16:09
>>>>> >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Bill,
>>>>> >> Something you might check out is the speakup project found at:
>>>>> >> http://linux-speakup.org
>>>>> >> They have a mailling list, and a good community.
>>>>> >> Basically speakup is the community for one of the linux screen
>>>>> readers
>>>>> >> that is out, that uses espeak,flite,or festival.
>>>>> >> HTH,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Thanks,
>>>>> >> Tyler Littlefield
>>>>> >> Web: tysdomain.com
>>>>> >> email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> >> My programs don't have bugs, they're called randomly added
>>>>> features.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >> From: "Bill Cox" <waywardgeek@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> >> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> >> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 9:03 AM
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> Thanks, Jim.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> It makes me feel a lot better to hear you say that. I've been
>>>>> here
>>>>> >>> before,
>>>>> >>> with the typing problem, and there wasn't much of any community
>>>>> at the
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> time
>>>>> >>> to help. Yes, I will most likely stay in the linux world, though
>>>>> I
>>>>> >> would
>>>>> >>> not rule out controlling linux boxes through cygwin bash shells
>>>>> and
>>>>> >> emacs
>>>>> >>> like I did before. I also hope to help with development of some
>>>>> of
>>>>> >> the
>>>>> >>> tools being used.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Bill
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Homme, James
>>>>> >>> <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> Hi Bill,
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> You can definitely be productive as a programmer in your
>>>>> situation.
>>>>> >>>> According to me, you have come to the right place to ask these
>>>>> kinds
>>>>> >> of
>>>>> >>>> things. We have a lot of great people on this list. Do you want
>>>>> to
>>>>> >> stay
>>>>> >>>> in
>>>>> >>>> the Linux world?
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Thanks.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Jim
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> ----------
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Jim Homme, Usability Engineering.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> 412-544-1810.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Note: I will reply to email and voice mail within four hours.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> "Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> "Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful
>>>>> people
>>>>> >> with
>>>>> >>>> talent.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> "Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> "Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> "Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent."
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> - Calvin Coolidge (1872-1933)
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> *From:* programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>>> >>>> programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Bill Cox
>>>>> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2009 10:32 AM
>>>>> >>>> *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> >>>> *Subject:* Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Hi.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Sorry if you get a lot of first-time dumb posts, like this.
>>>>> I've got
>>>>> >> a
>>>>> >>>> rare genetic defect that's causing me to lose my central vision.
>>>>> >> It's a
>>>>> >>>> lot
>>>>> >>>> like macular degeneration, but I'm only 45 years old. I've been
>>>>> a
>>>>> >>>> programmer all my life, and have succeeded in dealing with
>>>>> disability
>>>>> >>>> before. I could not type for three years. I mostly program in
>>>>> C on
>>>>> >>>> Linux.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> What tools should I learn, what forums should I join, and what
>>>>> skills
>>>>> >>>> should I develop to stay a productive programmer? I'm very good
>>>>> at
>>>>> >>>> building
>>>>> >>>> custom environments, which I did when I couldn't type. For
>>>>> example,
>>>>> >>>> should
>>>>> >>>> I bother with Braille, and which screen readers are best for
>>>>> mail,
>>>>> >> web
>>>>> >>>> browsing (and which browser?), and controlling shells and emacs?
>>>>> I
>>>>> >>>> expect
>>>>> >>>> to have peripheral vision for a long time. Do programmers with
>>>>> only
>>>>> >>>> peripheral vision fare better reading text up close, or using
>>>>> screen
>>>>> >>>> readers?
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Thanks,
>>>>> >>>> Bill
>>>>> >>>>
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