Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
- From: "doctor love" <minimack_19@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:28:03 -0400
hae, can you guys tell me the different kind of lisences? so, I can get and
read some and read what is about
From: Dorene Cornwell
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:01 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
Regardless of whether you plan to write code for money or for free, I STRONGLY
recommend you familiarize yourself with the different kinds of licensing
practices whether fully copyrighted, open-source, GPL or WHATEVER.
There is a lot of really excellent work done even by people on this list for
the public good without charge, but we all also have a variety of personal and
organizational obligations about copyrighted material.
I believe the majoy screen reader programs have demo programs that allow
considerable leeway about testing before a user has to reboot.
Best
DoreneC
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 6:44 PM, doctor love <minimack_19@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
no. not at all. just wana create my own software. how ever, I'll be doing it
as a hobbie not to make money
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From: "Tyler Littlefield" <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:11 PM
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
It's called common sense.
If you want to learn to code, I'm assuming you'd like to do something with
it. Or, are you going to become one of them lete hx40r script kiddies that can
change code from someone's previously written code?
Thanks,
Tyler Littlefield
Web: tysdomain.com
email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
My programs don't have bugs, they're called randomly added features.
----- Original Message ----- From: "doctor love" <minimack_19@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
Well, can you help me? It'll mean a lot to me.
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From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:28 AM
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
hi,
before you start to learn programming, you need to have the smarts not
to share high dollar key protected software!
how would you like to work all day for years and not get paid because
someone gives away your app for free on the web?
Bryan Schulz
The BEST Solution
www.best-acts.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "doctor love"
<minimack_19@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
it saves us on money lol. if you guys wish, I won't shear programs on
this list. but, I'd like to cuz I'm a nice person . how ever I'd like to share
everything I have. from music to software. and I just like helping others.
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From: "Tyler Littlefield" <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:06 AM
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
Sighs, I really have to wonder why people don't use common sense
before they just offer a $1200 program up for free, which is clearly protected
by copyright in the middle of public.
Thanks,
Tyler Littlefield
Web: tysdomain.com
email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
My programs don't have bugs, they're called randomly added features.
----- Original Message ----- From: "doctor love"
<minimack_19@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
hae bill, you can contact me on skype. I have a version of jaws if
you want a coppy. my friend buys jaws every year and then gives us a coppy.
I've talked it over with him and he said I can give you a coppy. but, I've
download a coppy of jaws from torrents and it's good as well. how ever, I'll
give you a coppy of jaws which I got from my friend. If you'd like to contact
me, you can on msn at
mackrishi@xxxxxxxx
or you can contact me on skype. my skype name is zmackrishi. by the
way, I'd like a little help from you also. I'm now learning programing. I've
just started. or you can say that I haven't started cuz, I haven't started one.
I need to know what I have to learn, and what I have to get. I have vissual
basic rite now. and I really want to do this. I heard that this list is the
best.
From: Bill Cox
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 2:46 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
Thanks, Jackie, and everyone for the replies.
I have to say, it's a load off my shoulders knowing that many other
programmers succeed with visual impairment. I'm more adaptable than most, and
am pretty sure I'll do OK. The emacspeak project looks most promising to me in
my situation (long-time emacs hacker, with peripheral vision that should work
long-term). I'll be able to use apps I'm familiar with with magnification
sometimes (like skype). I'm having trouble installing any speech synthesizer
it works with on my Kubuntu 9.04 x64 system, though. I'll post to the emacspeak
list, and if I have to, I'll write some support for other speech synthesis
back-ends.
Not that it's critical now, but if I'm going to bother writing a
back-end for emacspeak to support another speech synthesizer, which synthesizer
would you recommend? I've installed both festival and espeak. I've also
listened to demos of Cepstral, which sound much better to me.
Thanks,
Bill
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Jackie McBride <abletec@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Hi, Bill:
1st, I do know what you're going thru. It bites.
U asked a question about whether u should use magnification or
screenreader. generally speaking, the conventional wisdom has it
that
once you're at 5x magnification or above, productivity decreases to
such a level that screenreading software should be employed. This
is
not to say that being able to zoom in on a particular spot might
not
be helpful, but that it takes so much time to navigate the screen
using magnification that productivity suffers. It should also be
noted
that eyestrain using magnification software can result in headache
&
fatigue. Often, if system requirements permit, screenreading
software
& magnification can function together to create a more powerful
solution than either technology alone.
Regarding learning braille, there are a variety of factors to
consider, including tactile sensitivity & desire to learn. I
recommend
it for those who can, but, for example, many w/diabetic
retinopathy/neuropathy find it to be more frustrating than it's
worth.
I really suggest that u not only avail yourself of the resources on
this list, which are considerable, but also contact your state
vocational rehabilitation department/commission for the blind, as
the
case may be. They should surely be able to assist u, especially as
it
relates to learning braille. Also, Hadley School for the blind in
Winnetka, IL, has braille courses, though I think u probably have
to
be legally blind in order to access those.
Please let me know if u think I may be of further assistance.
On 6/15/09, Haden Pike <haden.pike@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> The orca screen reader, part of gnome, supports magnification.
>
> Haden Pike
> Email: haden.pike@xxxxxxxxx
>
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> From: "Holdsworth, Lynn" <Lynn.Holdsworth@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:16 AM
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: RE: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>
>> And there must surely be a plethora of free and cheap screen
>> magnification solutions for Linux. Anybody know anything about
those?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Tyler
>> Littlefield
>> Sent: 15 June 2009 16:09
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>
>> Bill,
>> Something you might check out is the speakup project found at:
>> http://linux-speakup.org
>> They have a mailling list, and a good community.
>> Basically speakup is the community for one of the linux screen
readers
>> that is out, that uses espeak,flite,or festival.
>> HTH,
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tyler Littlefield
>> Web: tysdomain.com
>> email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> My programs don't have bugs, they're called randomly added
features.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bill Cox" <waywardgeek@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 9:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>
>>
>>> Thanks, Jim.
>>>
>>> It makes me feel a lot better to hear you say that. I've been
here
>>> before,
>>> with the typing problem, and there wasn't much of any
community at the
>>
>>> time
>>> to help. Yes, I will most likely stay in the linux world,
though I
>> would
>>> not rule out controlling linux boxes through cygwin bash
shells and
>> emacs
>>> like I did before. I also hope to help with development of
some of
>> the
>>> tools being used.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Homme, James
>>> <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Bill,
>>>>
>>>> You can definitely be productive as a programmer in your
situation.
>>>> According to me, you have come to the right place to ask
these kinds
>> of
>>>> things. We have a lot of great people on this list. Do you
want to
>> stay
>>>> in
>>>> the Linux world?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------
>>>>
>>>> Jim Homme, Usability Engineering.
>>>>
>>>> 412-544-1810.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Note: I will reply to email and voice mail within four hours.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful
people
>> with
>>>> talent.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent."
>>>>
>>>> - Calvin Coolidge (1872-1933)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>> programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Bill Cox
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2009 10:32 AM
>>>> *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> *Subject:* Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry if you get a lot of first-time dumb posts, like this.
I've got
>> a
>>>> rare genetic defect that's causing me to lose my central
vision.
>> It's a
>>>> lot
>>>> like macular degeneration, but I'm only 45 years old. I've
been a
>>>> programmer all my life, and have succeeded in dealing with
disability
>>>> before. I could not type for three years. I mostly program
in C on
>>>> Linux.
>>>>
>>>> What tools should I learn, what forums should I join, and
what skills
>>>> should I develop to stay a productive programmer? I'm very
good at
>>>> building
>>>> custom environments, which I did when I couldn't type. For
example,
>>>> should
>>>> I bother with Braille, and which screen readers are best for
mail,
>> web
>>>> browsing (and which browser?), and controlling shells and
emacs? I
>>>> expect
>>>> to have peripheral vision for a long time. Do programmers
with only
>>>> peripheral vision fare better reading text up close, or using
screen
>>>> readers?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Bill
>>>>
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