Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?

  • From: Jared Wright <wright.jaredm@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:29:20 -0400

AS with 99% of the universe's inquiries, Wikipedia is a great place to start.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_license

On 6/16/2009 10:28 PM, doctor love wrote:
hae, can you guys tell me the different kind of lisences? so, I can get and read some and read what is about

*From:* Dorene Cornwell <mailto:dorenefc@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:01 PM
*To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:* Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?

Regardless of whether you plan to write code for money or for free, I STRONGLY recommend you familiarize yourself with the different kinds of licensing practices whether fully copyrighted, open-source, GPL or WHATEVER. There is a lot of really excellent work done even by people on this list for the public good without charge, but we all also have a variety of personal and organizational obligations about copyrighted material. I believe the majoy screen reader programs have demo programs that allow considerable leeway about testing before a user has to reboot.
Best
DoreneC

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 6:44 PM, doctor love <minimack_19@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:minimack_19@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

    no. not at all. just wana create my own software. how ever, I'll
    be doing it as a hobbie not to make money


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    From: "Tyler Littlefield" <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
    Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:11 PM

    To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
    Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?

        It's called common sense.
        If you want to learn to code, I'm assuming you'd like to do
        something with it. Or, are you going to become one of them
        lete hx40r script kiddies that can change code from someone's
        previously written code?


        Thanks,
        Tyler Littlefield
        Web: tysdomain.com <http://tysdomain.com/>
        email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
        My programs don't have bugs, they're called randomly added
        features.

        ----- Original Message ----- From: "doctor love"
        <minimack_19@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:minimack_19@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
        To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
        Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 6:53 PM
        Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?


            Well, can you help me? It'll mean a lot to me.

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            From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
            <mailto:b.schulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
            Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:28 AM
            To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
            <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
            Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?

                hi,

                before you start to learn programming, you need to
                have the smarts not to share high dollar key protected
                software!
                how would you like to work all day for years and not
                get paid because someone gives away your app for free
                on the web?

                Bryan Schulz
                The BEST Solution
                www.best-acts.com <http://www.best-acts.com/>

                ----- Original Message ----- From: "doctor love"
                <minimack_19@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:minimack_19@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
                To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
                Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:13 PM
                Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?


                    it saves us on money lol. if you guys wish, I
                    won't shear programs on this list. but, I'd like
                    to cuz I'm a nice person . how ever I'd like to
                    share everything I have. from music to software.
                    and I just like helping others.

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                    From: "Tyler Littlefield" <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                    <mailto:tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
                    Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:06 AM
                    To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                    <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
                    Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?

                        Sighs, I really have to wonder why people
                        don't use common sense before they just offer
                        a $1200 program up for free, which is clearly
                        protected by copyright in the middle of public.


                        Thanks,
                        Tyler Littlefield
                        Web: tysdomain.com <http://tysdomain.com/>
                        email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                        <mailto:tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
                        My programs don't have bugs, they're called
                        randomly added features.

                        ----- Original Message ----- From: "doctor
                        love" <minimack_19@xxxxxxxxxxx
                        <mailto:minimack_19@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
                        To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                        <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
                        Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 10:04 PM
                        Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing
                        vision?


                        hae bill, you can contact me on skype. I have
                        a version of jaws if you want a coppy. my
                        friend buys jaws every year and then gives us
                        a coppy. I've talked it over with him and he
                        said I can give you a coppy. but, I've
                        download a coppy of jaws from torrents and
                        it's good as well. how ever, I'll give you a
                        coppy of jaws which I got from my friend. If
                        you'd like to contact me, you can on msn at
                        mackrishi@xxxxxxxx <mailto:mackrishi@xxxxxxxx>
                        or you can contact me on skype. my skype name
                        is zmackrishi. by the way, I'd like a little
                        help from you also. I'm now learning
                        programing. I've just started. or you can say
                        that I haven't started cuz, I haven't started
                        one. I need to know what I have to learn, and
                        what I have to get. I have vissual basic rite
                        now. and I really want to do this. I heard
                        that this list is the best.


                        From: Bill Cox
                        Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 2:46 PM
                        To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                        <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
                        Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing
                        vision?


                        Thanks, Jackie, and everyone for the replies.

                        I have to say, it's a load off my shoulders
                        knowing that many other programmers succeed
                        with visual impairment.  I'm more adaptable
                        than most, and am pretty sure I'll do OK.  The
                        emacspeak project looks most promising to me
                        in my situation (long-time emacs hacker, with
                        peripheral vision that should work long-term).
                         I'll be able to use apps I'm familiar with
                        with magnification sometimes (like skype).
                         I'm having trouble installing any speech
                        synthesizer it works with on my Kubuntu 9.04
                        x64 system, though. I'll post to the emacspeak
                        list, and if I have to, I'll write some
                        support for other speech synthesis back-ends.

                        Not that it's critical now, but if I'm going
                        to bother writing a back-end for emacspeak to
                        support another speech synthesizer, which
                        synthesizer would you recommend?  I've
                        installed both festival and espeak.  I've also
                        listened to demos of Cepstral, which sound
                        much better to me.

                        Thanks,
                        Bill


                        On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Jackie
                        McBride <abletec@xxxxxxxxx
                        <mailto:abletec@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

                         Hi, Bill:

                         1st, I do know what you're going thru. It bites.

                         U asked a question about whether u should use
                        magnification or
                         screenreader. generally speaking, the
                        conventional wisdom has it that
                         once you're at 5x magnification or above,
                        productivity decreases to
                         such a level that screenreading software
                        should be employed. This is
                         not to say that being able to zoom in on a
                        particular spot might not
                         be helpful, but that it takes so much time to
                        navigate the screen
                         using magnification that productivity
                        suffers. It should also be noted
                         that eyestrain using magnification software
                        can result in headache &
                         fatigue. Often, if system requirements
                        permit, screenreading software
                        & magnification can function together to
                        create a more powerful
                         solution than either technology alone.

                         Regarding learning braille, there are a
                        variety of factors to
                         consider, including tactile sensitivity &
                        desire to learn. I recommend
                         it for those who can, but, for example, many
                        w/diabetic
                         retinopathy/neuropathy find it to be more
                        frustrating than it's worth.

                         I really suggest that u not only avail
                        yourself of the resources on
                         this list, which are considerable, but also
                        contact your state
                         vocational rehabilitation
                        department/commission for the blind, as the
                         case may be. They should surely be able to
                        assist u, especially as it
                         relates to learning braille. Also, Hadley
                        School for the blind in
                         Winnetka, IL, has braille courses, though I
                        think u probably have to
                         be legally blind in order to access those.

                         Please let me know if u think I may be of
                        further assistance.


                         On 6/15/09, Haden Pike <haden.pike@xxxxxxxxx
                        <mailto:haden.pike@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
                        > The orca screen reader, part of gnome,
                        supports magnification.
                        >
                        > Haden Pike
                        > Email: haden.pike@xxxxxxxxx
                        <mailto:haden.pike@xxxxxxxxx>
                        >
                        >
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                        > From: "Holdsworth, Lynn"
                        <Lynn.Holdsworth@xxxxxxxxxxx
                        <mailto:Lynn.Holdsworth@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
                        > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:16 AM
                        > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                        <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
                        > Subject: RE: Advice for a programmer losing
                        vision?
                        >
                        >> And there must surely be a plethora of free
                        and cheap screen
                        >> magnification solutions for Linux. Anybody
                        know anything about those?
                        >>
                        >> -----Original Message-----
                        >> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                        <mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
                        >>
                        [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                        <mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On
                        Behalf Of Tyler
                        >> Littlefield
                        >> Sent: 15 June 2009 16:09
                        >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                        <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
                        >> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing
                        vision?
                        >>
                        >> Bill,
                        >> Something you might check out is the
                        speakup project found at:
                        >> http://linux-speakup.org
                        <http://linux-speakup.org/>
                        >> They have a mailling list, and a good
                        community.
                        >> Basically speakup is the community for one
                        of the linux screen readers
                        >> that is out, that uses espeak,flite,or
                        festival.
                        >> HTH,
                        >>
                        >> Thanks,
                        >> Tyler Littlefield
                        >> Web: tysdomain.com <http://tysdomain.com/>
                        >> email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                        <mailto:tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
                        >> My programs don't have bugs, they're called
                        randomly added features.
                        >>
                        >> ----- Original Message -----
                        >> From: "Bill Cox" <waywardgeek@xxxxxxxxx
                        <mailto:waywardgeek@xxxxxxxxx>>
                        >> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                        <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
                        >> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 9:03 AM
                        >> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing
                        vision?
                        >>
                        >>
                        >>> Thanks, Jim.
                        >>>
                        >>> It makes me feel a lot better to hear you
                        say that.  I've been here
                        >>> before,
                        >>> with the typing problem, and there wasn't
                        much of any community at the
                        >>
                        >>> time
                        >>> to help.  Yes, I will most likely stay in
                        the linux world, though I
                        >> would
                        >>> not rule out controlling linux boxes
                        through cygwin bash shells and
                        >> emacs
                        >>> like I did before.  I also hope to help
                        with development of some of
                        >> the
                        >>> tools being used.
                        >>>
                        >>> Bill
                        >>>
                        >>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Homme, James
                        >>> <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx
                        <mailto:james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>>wrote:
                        >>>
                        >>>>  Hi Bill,
                        >>>>
                        >>>> You can definitely be productive as a
                        programmer in your situation.
                        >>>> According to me, you have come to the
                        right place to ask these kinds
                        >> of
                        >>>> things. We have a lot of great people on
                        this list. Do you want to
                        >> stay
                        >>>> in
                        >>>> the Linux world?
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>> Thanks.
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>> Jim
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>> ----------
                        >>>>
                        >>>> Jim Homme, Usability Engineering.
                        >>>>
                        >>>> 412-544-1810.
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>> Note: I will reply to email and voice
                        mail within four hours.
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>> "Nothing in this world can take the place
                        of persistence.
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>> "Talent will not; nothing is more common
                        than unsuccessful people
                        >> with
                        >>>> talent.
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>> "Genius will not; unrewarded genius is
                        almost a proverb.
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>> "Education will not; the world is full of
                        educated derelicts.
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>> "Persistence and determination alone are
                        omnipotent."
                        >>>>
                        >>>> - Calvin Coolidge (1872-1933)
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>> *From:*
                        programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                        <mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
                        [mailto:
                        >>>> programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                        <mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On
                        Behalf Of *Bill Cox
                        >>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2009 10:32 AM
                        >>>> *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                        <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
                        >>>> *Subject:* Advice for a programmer losing
                        vision?
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>>
                        >>>> Hi.
                        >>>>
                        >>>> Sorry if you get a lot of first-time dumb
                        posts, like this. I've got
                        >> a
                        >>>> rare genetic defect that's causing me to
                        lose my central vision.
                        >> It's a
                        >>>> lot
                        >>>> like macular degeneration, but I'm only
                        45 years old.  I've been a
                        >>>> programmer all my life, and have
                        succeeded in dealing with disability
                        >>>> before.  I could not type for three
                        years.  I mostly program in C on
                        >>>> Linux.
                        >>>>
                        >>>> What tools should I learn, what forums
                        should I join, and what skills
                        >>>> should I develop to stay a productive
                        programmer?  I'm very good at
                        >>>> building
                        >>>> custom environments, which I did when I
                        couldn't type.  For example,
                        >>>> should
                        >>>> I bother with Braille, and which screen
                        readers are best for mail,
                        >> web
                        >>>> browsing (and which browser?), and
                        controlling shells and emacs? I
                        >>>> expect
                        >>>> to have peripheral vision for a long
                        time.  Do programmers with only
                        >>>> peripheral vision fare better reading
                        text up close, or using screen
                        >>>> readers?
                        >>>>
                        >>>> Thanks,
                        >>>> Bill
                        >>>>
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