RE: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:51:01 -0400
You might think this is funny but we are all software engineers here. That
means you are just saying you would steal from us as well as freedom
scientific. I am one who hates the high price of Jaws as much as the other.
I am also one though that works for one of the access software companies and
there are reasons for the prices. Now I will say Jaws is a bit high priced
but you are stealing what shocks me is people like you has no problem
stealing. It is just sickening.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of doctor love
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:14 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
it saves us on money lol. if you guys wish, I won't shear programs on this
list. but, I'd like to cuz I'm a nice person . how ever I'd like to share
everything I have. from music to software. and I just like helping others.
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From: "Tyler Littlefield" <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:06 AM
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
> Sighs, I really have to wonder why people don't use common sense before
> they just offer a $1200 program up for free, which is clearly protected by
> copyright in the middle of public.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Tyler Littlefield
> Web: tysdomain.com
> email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> My programs don't have bugs, they're called randomly added features.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "doctor love" <minimack_19@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 10:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>
>
> hae bill, you can contact me on skype. I have a version of jaws if you
> want a coppy. my friend buys jaws every year and then gives us a coppy.
> I've talked it over with him and he said I can give you a coppy. but, I've
> download a coppy of jaws from torrents and it's good as well. how ever,
> I'll give you a coppy of jaws which I got from my friend. If you'd like to
> contact me, you can on msn at
> mackrishi@xxxxxxxx
> or you can contact me on skype. my skype name is zmackrishi. by the way,
> I'd like a little help from you also. I'm now learning programing. I've
> just started. or you can say that I haven't started cuz, I haven't started
> one. I need to know what I have to learn, and what I have to get. I have
> vissual basic rite now. and I really want to do this. I heard that this
> list is the best.
>
>
> From: Bill Cox
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 2:46 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>
>
> Thanks, Jackie, and everyone for the replies.
>
> I have to say, it's a load off my shoulders knowing that many other
> programmers succeed with visual impairment. I'm more adaptable than most,
> and am pretty sure I'll do OK. The emacspeak project looks most promising
> to me in my situation (long-time emacs hacker, with peripheral vision that
> should work long-term). I'll be able to use apps I'm familiar with with
> magnification sometimes (like skype). I'm having trouble installing any
> speech synthesizer it works with on my Kubuntu 9.04 x64 system, though.
> I'll post to the emacspeak list, and if I have to, I'll write some support
> for other speech synthesis back-ends.
>
> Not that it's critical now, but if I'm going to bother writing a back-end
> for emacspeak to support another speech synthesizer, which synthesizer
> would you recommend? I've installed both festival and espeak. I've also
> listened to demos of Cepstral, which sound much better to me.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Jackie McBride <abletec@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Hi, Bill:
>
> 1st, I do know what you're going thru. It bites.
>
> U asked a question about whether u should use magnification or
> screenreader. generally speaking, the conventional wisdom has it that
> once you're at 5x magnification or above, productivity decreases to
> such a level that screenreading software should be employed. This is
> not to say that being able to zoom in on a particular spot might not
> be helpful, but that it takes so much time to navigate the screen
> using magnification that productivity suffers. It should also be noted
> that eyestrain using magnification software can result in headache &
> fatigue. Often, if system requirements permit, screenreading software
> & magnification can function together to create a more powerful
> solution than either technology alone.
>
> Regarding learning braille, there are a variety of factors to
> consider, including tactile sensitivity & desire to learn. I recommend
> it for those who can, but, for example, many w/diabetic
> retinopathy/neuropathy find it to be more frustrating than it's worth.
>
> I really suggest that u not only avail yourself of the resources on
> this list, which are considerable, but also contact your state
> vocational rehabilitation department/commission for the blind, as the
> case may be. They should surely be able to assist u, especially as it
> relates to learning braille. Also, Hadley School for the blind in
> Winnetka, IL, has braille courses, though I think u probably have to
> be legally blind in order to access those.
>
> Please let me know if u think I may be of further assistance.
>
>
> On 6/15/09, Haden Pike <haden.pike@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > The orca screen reader, part of gnome, supports magnification.
> >
> > Haden Pike
> > Email: haden.pike@xxxxxxxxx
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Holdsworth, Lynn" <Lynn.Holdsworth@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:16 AM
> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: RE: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
> >
> >> And there must surely be a plethora of free and cheap screen
> >> magnification solutions for Linux. Anybody know anything about those?
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tyler
> >> Littlefield
> >> Sent: 15 June 2009 16:09
> >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
> >>
> >> Bill,
> >> Something you might check out is the speakup project found at:
> >> http://linux-speakup.org
> >> They have a mailling list, and a good community.
> >> Basically speakup is the community for one of the linux screen readers
> >> that is out, that uses espeak,flite,or festival.
> >> HTH,
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Tyler Littlefield
> >> Web: tysdomain.com
> >> email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> My programs don't have bugs, they're called randomly added features.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Bill Cox" <waywardgeek@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 9:03 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
> >>
> >>
> >>> Thanks, Jim.
> >>>
> >>> It makes me feel a lot better to hear you say that. I've been here
> >>> before,
> >>> with the typing problem, and there wasn't much of any community at
> the
> >>
> >>> time
> >>> to help. Yes, I will most likely stay in the linux world, though I
> >> would
> >>> not rule out controlling linux boxes through cygwin bash shells and
> >> emacs
> >>> like I did before. I also hope to help with development of some of
> >> the
> >>> tools being used.
> >>>
> >>> Bill
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Homme, James
> >>> <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Bill,
> >>>>
> >>>> You can definitely be productive as a programmer in your situation.
> >>>> According to me, you have come to the right place to ask these kinds
> >> of
> >>>> things. We have a lot of great people on this list. Do you want to
> >> stay
> >>>> in
> >>>> the Linux world?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Jim
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----------
> >>>>
> >>>> Jim Homme, Usability Engineering.
> >>>>
> >>>> 412-544-1810.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Note: I will reply to email and voice mail within four hours.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people
> >> with
> >>>> talent.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent."
> >>>>
> >>>> - Calvin Coolidge (1872-1933)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> *From:* programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> >>>> programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Bill Cox
> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2009 10:32 AM
> >>>> *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> *Subject:* Advice for a programmer losing vision?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sorry if you get a lot of first-time dumb posts, like this. I've
> got
> >> a
> >>>> rare genetic defect that's causing me to lose my central vision.
> >> It's a
> >>>> lot
> >>>> like macular degeneration, but I'm only 45 years old. I've been a
> >>>> programmer all my life, and have succeeded in dealing with
> disability
> >>>> before. I could not type for three years. I mostly program in C on
> >>>> Linux.
> >>>>
> >>>> What tools should I learn, what forums should I join, and what
> skills
> >>>> should I develop to stay a productive programmer? I'm very good at
> >>>> building
> >>>> custom environments, which I did when I couldn't type. For example,
> >>>> should
> >>>> I bother with Braille, and which screen readers are best for mail,
> >> web
> >>>> browsing (and which browser?), and controlling shells and emacs? I
> >>>> expect
> >>>> to have peripheral vision for a long time. Do programmers with only
> >>>> peripheral vision fare better reading text up close, or using screen
> >>>> readers?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Bill
> >>>>
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