Sighs, I really have to wonder why people don't use common sense
before they just offer a $1200 program up for free, which is clearly
protected by copyright in the middle of public.
Thanks,
Tyler Littlefield
Web: tysdomain.com
email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
My programs don't have bugs, they're called randomly added features.
----- Original Message -----
From: "doctor love" <minimack_19@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
hae bill, you can contact me on skype. I have a version of jaws if you
want a coppy. my friend buys jaws every year and then gives us a
coppy. I've talked it over with him and he said I can give you a
coppy. but, I've download a coppy of jaws from torrents and it's good
as well. how ever, I'll give you a coppy of jaws which I got from my
friend. If you'd like to contact me, you can on msn at
mackrishi@xxxxxxxx
or you can contact me on skype. my skype name is zmackrishi. by the
way, I'd like a little help from you also. I'm now learning
programing. I've just started. or you can say that I haven't started
cuz, I haven't started one. I need to know what I have to learn, and
what I have to get. I have vissual basic rite now. and I really want
to do this. I heard that this list is the best.
From: Bill Cox
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 2:46 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
Thanks, Jackie, and everyone for the replies.
I have to say, it's a load off my shoulders knowing that many other
programmers succeed with visual impairment. I'm more adaptable than
most, and am pretty sure I'll do OK. The emacspeak project looks most
promising to me in my situation (long-time emacs hacker, with
peripheral vision that should work long-term). I'll be able to use
apps I'm familiar with with magnification sometimes (like skype). I'm
having trouble installing any speech synthesizer it works with on my
Kubuntu 9.04 x64 system, though. I'll post to the emacspeak list, and
if I have to, I'll write some support for other speech synthesis
back-ends.
Not that it's critical now, but if I'm going to bother writing a
back-end for emacspeak to support another speech synthesizer, which
synthesizer would you recommend? I've installed both festival and
espeak. I've also listened to demos of Cepstral, which sound much
better to me.
Thanks,
Bill
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Jackie McBride <abletec@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Hi, Bill:
1st, I do know what you're going thru. It bites.
U asked a question about whether u should use magnification or
screenreader. generally speaking, the conventional wisdom has it that
once you're at 5x magnification or above, productivity decreases to
such a level that screenreading software should be employed. This is
not to say that being able to zoom in on a particular spot might not
be helpful, but that it takes so much time to navigate the screen
using magnification that productivity suffers. It should also be
noted
that eyestrain using magnification software can result in headache &
fatigue. Often, if system requirements permit, screenreading software
& magnification can function together to create a more powerful
solution than either technology alone.
Regarding learning braille, there are a variety of factors to
consider, including tactile sensitivity & desire to learn. I
recommend
it for those who can, but, for example, many w/diabetic
retinopathy/neuropathy find it to be more frustrating than it's
worth.
I really suggest that u not only avail yourself of the resources on
this list, which are considerable, but also contact your state
vocational rehabilitation department/commission for the blind, as the
case may be. They should surely be able to assist u, especially as it
relates to learning braille. Also, Hadley School for the blind in
Winnetka, IL, has braille courses, though I think u probably have to
be legally blind in order to access those.
Please let me know if u think I may be of further assistance.
On 6/15/09, Haden Pike <haden.pike@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> The orca screen reader, part of gnome, supports magnification.
>
> Haden Pike
> Email: haden.pike@xxxxxxxxx
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Holdsworth, Lynn" <Lynn.Holdsworth@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:16 AM
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: RE: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>
>> And there must surely be a plethora of free and cheap screen
>> magnification solutions for Linux. Anybody know anything about
those?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tyler
>> Littlefield
>> Sent: 15 June 2009 16:09
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>
>> Bill,
>> Something you might check out is the speakup project found at:
>> http://linux-speakup.org
>> They have a mailling list, and a good community.
>> Basically speakup is the community for one of the linux screen
readers
>> that is out, that uses espeak,flite,or festival.
>> HTH,
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tyler Littlefield
>> Web: tysdomain.com
>> email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> My programs don't have bugs, they're called randomly added
features.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bill Cox" <waywardgeek@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 9:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>
>>
>>> Thanks, Jim.
>>>
>>> It makes me feel a lot better to hear you say that. I've been
here
>>> before,
>>> with the typing problem, and there wasn't much of any community
at the
>>
>>> time
>>> to help. Yes, I will most likely stay in the linux world, though
I
>> would
>>> not rule out controlling linux boxes through cygwin bash shells
and
>> emacs
>>> like I did before. I also hope to help with development of some
of
>> the
>>> tools being used.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Homme, James
>>> <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Bill,
>>>>
>>>> You can definitely be productive as a programmer in your
situation.
>>>> According to me, you have come to the right place to ask these
kinds
>> of
>>>> things. We have a lot of great people on this list. Do you want
to
>> stay
>>>> in
>>>> the Linux world?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------
>>>>
>>>> Jim Homme, Usability Engineering.
>>>>
>>>> 412-544-1810.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Note: I will reply to email and voice mail within four hours.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful
people
>> with
>>>> talent.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent."
>>>>
>>>> - Calvin Coolidge (1872-1933)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>> programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Bill Cox
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2009 10:32 AM
>>>> *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> *Subject:* Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry if you get a lot of first-time dumb posts, like this.
I've got
>> a
>>>> rare genetic defect that's causing me to lose my central vision.
>> It's a
>>>> lot
>>>> like macular degeneration, but I'm only 45 years old. I've been
a
>>>> programmer all my life, and have succeeded in dealing with
disability
>>>> before. I could not type for three years. I mostly program in
C on
>>>> Linux.
>>>>
>>>> What tools should I learn, what forums should I join, and what
skills
>>>> should I develop to stay a productive programmer? I'm very good
at
>>>> building
>>>> custom environments, which I did when I couldn't type. For
example,
>>>> should
>>>> I bother with Braille, and which screen readers are best for
mail,
>> web
>>>> browsing (and which browser?), and controlling shells and emacs?
I
>>>> expect
>>>> to have peripheral vision for a long time. Do programmers with
only
>>>> peripheral vision fare better reading text up close, or using
screen
>>>> readers?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Bill
>>>>
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