RE: Advice for a programmer losing vision?

Unless you learn discretion I suspect you'll be sharing a jail cell some
time soon. Jaws and applications like it are hugely (some would say far
too) expensive, but if you must use a cracked copy while I pay over the
odds, at least don't tell the world what you're doing.

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of doctor love
Sent: 16 June 2009 05:14
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?

it saves us on money lol. if you guys wish, I won't shear programs on
this list. but, I'd like to cuz I'm a nice person . how ever I'd like to
share everything I have. from music to software. and I just like helping
others.

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From: "Tyler Littlefield" <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:06 AM
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?

> Sighs, I really have to wonder why people don't use common sense 
> before they just offer a $1200 program up for free, which is clearly 
> protected by copyright in the middle of public.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Tyler Littlefield
> Web: tysdomain.com
> email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> My programs don't have bugs, they're called randomly added features.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "doctor love" <minimack_19@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 10:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>
>
> hae bill, you can contact me on skype. I have a version of jaws if you

> want a coppy. my friend buys jaws every year and then gives us a
coppy.
> I've talked it over with him and he said I can give you a coppy. but, 
> I've download a coppy of jaws from torrents and it's good as well. how

> ever, I'll give you a coppy of jaws which I got from my friend. If 
> you'd like to contact me, you can on msn at mackrishi@xxxxxxxx or you 
> can contact me on skype. my skype name is zmackrishi. by the way, I'd 
> like a little help from you also. I'm now learning programing. I've 
> just started. or you can say that I haven't started cuz, I haven't 
> started one. I need to know what I have to learn, and what I have to 
> get. I have vissual basic rite now. and I really want to do this. I 
> heard that this list is the best.
>
>
> From: Bill Cox
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 2:46 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>
>
> Thanks, Jackie, and everyone for the replies.
>
> I have to say, it's a load off my shoulders knowing that many other 
> programmers succeed with visual impairment.  I'm more adaptable than
most, 
> and am pretty sure I'll do OK.  The emacspeak project looks most
promising 
> to me in my situation (long-time emacs hacker, with peripheral vision
that 
> should work long-term).  I'll be able to use apps I'm familiar with
with 
> magnification sometimes (like skype).  I'm having trouble installing
any 
> speech synthesizer it works with on my Kubuntu 9.04 x64 system,
though. 
> I'll post to the emacspeak list, and if I have to, I'll write some
support 
> for other speech synthesis back-ends.
>
> Not that it's critical now, but if I'm going to bother writing a
back-end 
> for emacspeak to support another speech synthesizer, which synthesizer

> would you recommend?  I've installed both festival and espeak.  I've
also 
> listened to demos of Cepstral, which sound much better to me.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Jackie McBride <abletec@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>
>  Hi, Bill:
>
>  1st, I do know what you're going thru. It bites.
>
>  U asked a question about whether u should use magnification or
>  screenreader. generally speaking, the conventional wisdom has it that
>  once you're at 5x magnification or above, productivity decreases to
>  such a level that screenreading software should be employed. This is
>  not to say that being able to zoom in on a particular spot might not
>  be helpful, but that it takes so much time to navigate the screen
>  using magnification that productivity suffers. It should also be
noted
>  that eyestrain using magnification software can result in headache &
>  fatigue. Often, if system requirements permit, screenreading software
>  & magnification can function together to create a more powerful
>  solution than either technology alone.
>
>  Regarding learning braille, there are a variety of factors to
>  consider, including tactile sensitivity & desire to learn. I
recommend
>  it for those who can, but, for example, many w/diabetic
>  retinopathy/neuropathy find it to be more frustrating than it's
worth.
>
>  I really suggest that u not only avail yourself of the resources on
>  this list, which are considerable, but also contact your state
>  vocational rehabilitation department/commission for the blind, as the
>  case may be. They should surely be able to assist u, especially as it
>  relates to learning braille. Also, Hadley School for the blind in
>  Winnetka, IL, has braille courses, though I think u probably have to
>  be legally blind in order to access those.
>
>  Please let me know if u think I may be of further assistance.
>
>
>  On 6/15/09, Haden Pike <haden.pike@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>  > The orca screen reader, part of gnome, supports magnification.
>  >
>  > Haden Pike
>  > Email: haden.pike@xxxxxxxxx
>  >
>  > --------------------------------------------------
>  > From: "Holdsworth, Lynn" <Lynn.Holdsworth@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>  > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:16 AM
>  > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>  > Subject: RE: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>  >
>  >> And there must surely be a plethora of free and cheap screen
>  >> magnification solutions for Linux. Anybody know anything about
those?
>  >>
>  >> -----Original Message-----
>  >> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>  >> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tyler
>  >> Littlefield
>  >> Sent: 15 June 2009 16:09
>  >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>  >> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>  >>
>  >> Bill,
>  >> Something you might check out is the speakup project found at:
>  >> http://linux-speakup.org
>  >> They have a mailling list, and a good community.
>  >> Basically speakup is the community for one of the linux screen
readers
>  >> that is out, that uses espeak,flite,or festival.
>  >> HTH,
>  >>
>  >> Thanks,
>  >> Tyler Littlefield
>  >> Web: tysdomain.com
>  >> email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>  >> My programs don't have bugs, they're called randomly added
features.
>  >>
>  >> ----- Original Message -----
>  >> From: "Bill Cox" <waywardgeek@xxxxxxxxx>
>  >> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>  >> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 9:03 AM
>  >> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>> Thanks, Jim.
>  >>>
>  >>> It makes me feel a lot better to hear you say that.  I've been
here
>  >>> before,
>  >>> with the typing problem, and there wasn't much of any community
at 
> the
>  >>
>  >>> time
>  >>> to help.  Yes, I will most likely stay in the linux world, though
I
>  >> would
>  >>> not rule out controlling linux boxes through cygwin bash shells
and
>  >> emacs
>  >>> like I did before.  I also hope to help with development of some
of
>  >> the
>  >>> tools being used.
>  >>>
>  >>> Bill
>  >>>
>  >>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Homme, James
>  >>> <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>  >>>
>  >>>>  Hi Bill,
>  >>>>
>  >>>> You can definitely be productive as a programmer in your
situation.
>  >>>> According to me, you have come to the right place to ask these
kinds
>  >> of
>  >>>> things. We have a lot of great people on this list. Do you want
to
>  >> stay
>  >>>> in
>  >>>> the Linux world?
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>> Thanks.
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>> Jim
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>> ----------
>  >>>>
>  >>>> Jim Homme, Usability Engineering.
>  >>>>
>  >>>> 412-544-1810.
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>> Note: I will reply to email and voice mail within four hours.
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>> "Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence.
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>> "Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful
people
>  >> with
>  >>>> talent.
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>> "Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb.
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>> "Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts.
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>> "Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent."
>  >>>>
>  >>>> - Calvin Coolidge (1872-1933)
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>> *From:* programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>  >>>> programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Bill Cox
>  >>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2009 10:32 AM
>  >>>> *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>  >>>> *Subject:* Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>> Hi.
>  >>>>
>  >>>> Sorry if you get a lot of first-time dumb posts, like this.
I've 
> got
>  >> a
>  >>>> rare genetic defect that's causing me to lose my central vision.
>  >> It's a
>  >>>> lot
>  >>>> like macular degeneration, but I'm only 45 years old.  I've been
a
>  >>>> programmer all my life, and have succeeded in dealing with 
> disability
>  >>>> before.  I could not type for three years.  I mostly program in
C on
>  >>>> Linux.
>  >>>>
>  >>>> What tools should I learn, what forums should I join, and what 
> skills
>  >>>> should I develop to stay a productive programmer?  I'm very good
at
>  >>>> building
>  >>>> custom environments, which I did when I couldn't type.  For
example,
>  >>>> should
>  >>>> I bother with Braille, and which screen readers are best for
mail,
>  >> web
>  >>>> browsing (and which browser?), and controlling shells and emacs?
I
>  >>>> expect
>  >>>> to have peripheral vision for a long time.  Do programmers with
only
>  >>>> peripheral vision fare better reading text up close, or using
screen
>  >>>> readers?
>  >>>>
>  >>>> Thanks,
>  >>>> Bill
>  >>>>
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