Hi, Please forgive me. I'm not the owner anymore. I like this list and would hate to see it shut down because you are "nice." Jim ---------- Jim Homme, Usability Engineering. 412-544-1810. Note: I will reply to email and voice mail within four hours. "Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. "Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. "Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. "Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. "Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent." - Calvin Coolidge (1872-1933) -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of doctor love Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:14 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision? it saves us on money lol. if you guys wish, I won't shear programs on this list. but, I'd like to cuz I'm a nice person . how ever I'd like to share everything I have. from music to software. and I just like helping others. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Tyler Littlefield" <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:06 AM To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision? > Sighs, I really have to wonder why people don't use common sense before > they just offer a $1200 program up for free, which is clearly protected by > copyright in the middle of public. > > > Thanks, > Tyler Littlefield > Web: tysdomain.com > email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > My programs don't have bugs, they're called randomly added features. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "doctor love" <minimack_19@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 10:04 PM > Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision? > > > hae bill, you can contact me on skype. I have a version of jaws if you > want a coppy. my friend buys jaws every year and then gives us a coppy. > I've talked it over with him and he said I can give you a coppy. but, I've > download a coppy of jaws from torrents and it's good as well. how ever, > I'll give you a coppy of jaws which I got from my friend. If you'd like to > contact me, you can on msn at > mackrishi@xxxxxxxx > or you can contact me on skype. my skype name is zmackrishi. by the way, > I'd like a little help from you also. I'm now learning programing. I've > just started. or you can say that I haven't started cuz, I haven't started > one. I need to know what I have to learn, and what I have to get. I have > vissual basic rite now. and I really want to do this. I heard that this > list is the best. > > > From: Bill Cox > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 2:46 PM > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision? > > > Thanks, Jackie, and everyone for the replies. > > I have to say, it's a load off my shoulders knowing that many other > programmers succeed with visual impairment. I'm more adaptable than most, > and am pretty sure I'll do OK. The emacspeak project looks most promising > to me in my situation (long-time emacs hacker, with peripheral vision that > should work long-term). I'll be able to use apps I'm familiar with with > magnification sometimes (like skype). I'm having trouble installing any > speech synthesizer it works with on my Kubuntu 9.04 x64 system, though. > I'll post to the emacspeak list, and if I have to, I'll write some support > for other speech synthesis back-ends. > > Not that it's critical now, but if I'm going to bother writing a back-end > for emacspeak to support another speech synthesizer, which synthesizer > would you recommend? I've installed both festival and espeak. I've also > listened to demos of Cepstral, which sound much better to me. > > Thanks, > Bill > > > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Jackie McBride <abletec@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Hi, Bill: > > 1st, I do know what you're going thru. It bites. > > U asked a question about whether u should use magnification or > screenreader. generally speaking, the conventional wisdom has it that > once you're at 5x magnification or above, productivity decreases to > such a level that screenreading software should be employed. This is > not to say that being able to zoom in on a particular spot might not > be helpful, but that it takes so much time to navigate the screen > using magnification that productivity suffers. It should also be noted > that eyestrain using magnification software can result in headache & > fatigue. Often, if system requirements permit, screenreading software > & magnification can function together to create a more powerful > solution than either technology alone. > > Regarding learning braille, there are a variety of factors to > consider, including tactile sensitivity & desire to learn. I recommend > it for those who can, but, for example, many w/diabetic > retinopathy/neuropathy find it to be more frustrating than it's worth. > > I really suggest that u not only avail yourself of the resources on > this list, which are considerable, but also contact your state > vocational rehabilitation department/commission for the blind, as the > case may be. They should surely be able to assist u, especially as it > relates to learning braille. Also, Hadley School for the blind in > Winnetka, IL, has braille courses, though I think u probably have to > be legally blind in order to access those. > > Please let me know if u think I may be of further assistance. > > > On 6/15/09, Haden Pike <haden.pike@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > The orca screen reader, part of gnome, supports magnification. > > > > Haden Pike > > Email: haden.pike@xxxxxxxxx > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Holdsworth, Lynn" <Lynn.Holdsworth@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:16 AM > > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Subject: RE: Advice for a programmer losing vision? > > > >> And there must surely be a plethora of free and cheap screen > >> magnification solutions for Linux. Anybody know anything about those? > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tyler > >> Littlefield > >> Sent: 15 June 2009 16:09 > >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision? > >> > >> Bill, > >> Something you might check out is the speakup project found at: > >> http://linux-speakup.org > >> They have a mailling list, and a good community. > >> Basically speakup is the community for one of the linux screen readers > >> that is out, that uses espeak,flite,or festival. > >> HTH, > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Tyler Littlefield > >> Web: tysdomain.com > >> email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> My programs don't have bugs, they're called randomly added features. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Bill Cox" <waywardgeek@xxxxxxxxx> > >> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 9:03 AM > >> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision? > >> > >> > >>> Thanks, Jim. > >>> > >>> It makes me feel a lot better to hear you say that. I've been here > >>> before, > >>> with the typing problem, and there wasn't much of any community at > the > >> > >>> time > >>> to help. Yes, I will most likely stay in the linux world, though I > >> would > >>> not rule out controlling linux boxes through cygwin bash shells and > >> emacs > >>> like I did before. I also hope to help with development of some of > >> the > >>> tools being used. > >>> > >>> Bill > >>> > >>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Homme, James > >>> <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi Bill, > >>>> > >>>> You can definitely be productive as a programmer in your situation. > >>>> According to me, you have come to the right place to ask these kinds > >> of > >>>> things. We have a lot of great people on this list. Do you want to > >> stay > >>>> in > >>>> the Linux world? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Thanks. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Jim > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ---------- > >>>> > >>>> Jim Homme, Usability Engineering. > >>>> > >>>> 412-544-1810. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Note: I will reply to email and voice mail within four hours. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> "Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> "Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people > >> with > >>>> talent. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> "Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> "Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> "Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent." > >>>> > >>>> - Calvin Coolidge (1872-1933) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> *From:* programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: > >>>> programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Bill Cox > >>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2009 10:32 AM > >>>> *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>>> *Subject:* Advice for a programmer losing vision? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Hi. > >>>> > >>>> Sorry if you get a lot of first-time dumb posts, like this. I've > got > >> a > >>>> rare genetic defect that's causing me to lose my central vision. > >> It's a > >>>> lot > >>>> like macular degeneration, but I'm only 45 years old. I've been a > >>>> programmer all my life, and have succeeded in dealing with > disability > >>>> before. I could not type for three years. I mostly program in C on > >>>> Linux. > >>>> > >>>> What tools should I learn, what forums should I join, and what > skills > >>>> should I develop to stay a productive programmer? I'm very good at > >>>> building > >>>> custom environments, which I did when I couldn't type. For example, > >>>> should > >>>> I bother with Braille, and which screen readers are best for mail, > >> web > >>>> browsing (and which browser?), and controlling shells and emacs? I > >>>> expect > >>>> to have peripheral vision for a long time. Do programmers with only > >>>> peripheral vision fare better reading text up close, or using screen > >>>> readers? > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> Bill > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------ > >>>> This e-mail and any attachments to it are confidential and are > >> intended > >>>> solely for use of the individual or entity to whom they are > >> addressed. If > >>>> you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender > >>>> immediately > >>>> and then delete it. If you are not the intended recipient, you must > >> not > >>>> keep, use, disclose, copy or distribute this e-mail without the > >> author's > >>>> prior permission. 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