I'm trying and I must admit I am making progress. Used to the setup now and understand how the drives connect. Yes Hun, it is red wire and another small one, I bet this really helps with air flow. The other connection type (wide ribbion cables) are only for the top two bays, I guess only the cdrw drives. I'm going to get some of those learning tools you talked about, but really this is getting more and more simple each day. Thank You Hun, I don't know if your as old as me but if so we have seen a lot of changes :-) God Bless Becky Tech Rose - LoveBytes <TechRose@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Hey sweetie ...hang in there... I have done some stuttering and cussing too.... I expected changes with Vista...and I am pretty patient...MOST of the time..but.... it is frustrating..not having a clue what to do....lol! The red wires from the hard drives are serial drives. Unless you have connectors that look like your old one did..those wide ribbon cables, those drives will NOT work in the new machine. Having said that... Don did say he had an EIDE connection on his new mother board that WOULD let him use his old parallel ata drives. I do not have that opportunity, which is why I bought the cables. I am not knowledgeable enought about PATA and SATA to know if the EIDE will handle both or not. Education if they key to me. My other half wants to turn the computer on and have it do what he wants right then. Me, I KNOW it is going to be different. I KNOW there is a learning curve. Do I get frustrated... dang straight I do..but I KNOW I WILL learn how to do what I want to do...sooner OR later.... If I start badmouthing the machine and my judgment for buying it so early in its release.... and comparing it to other Operating Systems, I am wasting my time and energy and pulling myself down. I was there at midnight when XP was released. I had it installed the next morning. I had a question, called Microsoft....and this very nice helpful lady lead me down the wrong path. Things got really messed up. B U T... I had a guy (From Microsoft) working with me and HIM calling ME back for 3 1/2 LONG days on the phone until he got my machine right. I will keep plugging away on this machine. I can envision and actually SEE some of the potential. So, I will carry on. Progress requires change is is not always for the feint of heart! lol! My stab at Education: I bought the Cd set .that is like the Video Professor you see on TV. It is called Professor Teaches... Windows Vista for $20. It covers XP and Vista..and all flavors (versions) of Vista...Home Basic - Premium - Business & the Ultimate I have. This is at the Frys website and it $15. www.frys.com. Put in the search box 5060735 and it will bring it up for you. You put the CD in and then just follow the steps. It tells and shows you step by step how to do stuff, it has YOU using your mouse to do the steps. Then, at the end of each subject, there is a short quiz. No one sees any test papers and you can play it over and over until you GET IT (I know I do). I also bought a book 100 best tips/tricks for Vista Simply Visually (or a name close to that...lol! - But once I got it home, I realized it was for folks who already knew Vista and wanted to learn some good neat stuff beyond the basics. For now... the basics is what I need. So, I bought the book....Windows Vista for Dummies - There are two books..one is just that... Vista for Dummies..and then the one I got is the one that says... 9 Books in 1. It covers Vista Orientation Vista Boot Camp Securing Vista Customizing Vista Adding Cool Hardware Joining the Multimedia Mix Vista Video Setting Up a Vista Network. Some of these I do not care a lick about..but having the reference is invaluable to me. I love learning new things. It is the pain sometimes of knowing what question to ask to get to what I need that frustrates me....lol! Well, Ii have jabbered on long enough.. time to get some work done! I am here if you need someone to whine to..and who knows...I may write and whine to you... tee hee! Rose --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. -- Please remember to trim your replies (including this sentence and everything below it) and adjust the subject line as necessary. To unsubscribe or change your email settings: //www.freelists.org/webpage/pctechtalk To access our Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PCTechTalk/messages/ //www.freelists.org/archives/pctechtalk/