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- From: PilotKris@xxxxxxx
- To: pa28235@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 16:02:59 +0000
Wow Jay, You're just a wealth of missinformation.
Check with your Lawyer.
Those rules pertain to the granting of Exclusive Rights at airports. They
don't grant any special rights to pump your own gas.
They can have rules that ALL must comply (including FBOs) that include
safety, training, environmental issues, storage, etc., that can effectively
shut
down any MoGas dispensing on the field.
The airport is completely within it's rights to say that fuel can only be
dispensed by an appropriately licesened FBO. But you do have the right to open
your own FBO (if another exists on the field).
In a message dated 7/15/2006 4:26:59 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jjhoneck@xxxxxxxxx writes:
It took some digging, but here it is:
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_http://www.faa.gov/arp/aal/Sponsor%20Guide/append4e.doc_
(http://www.faa.gov/arp/aal/Sponsor%20Guide/append4e.doc)
f. It will not exercise or grant any right or
privilege which operates to prevent any person, firm, or
corporation operating aircraft on the airport from
performing any services on its own aircraft with its own
employees [including, but not limited to maintenance,
repair, and fueling] that it may choose to perform.
...
23. Exclusive Rights. It will permit no exclusive right
for the use of the airport by any person providing, or
intending to provide, aeronautical services to the public.
For purposes of this paragraph, the providing of the
services at an airport by a single fixed-based operator
shall not be construed as an exclusive right if both of the
following apply:
a.. It would be unreasonably costly, burdensome, or
impractical for more than one fixed-based operator to
provide such services, and
b.. If allowing more than one fixed-based operator to
provide such services would require the reduction of space
leased pursuant to an existing agreement between such single
fixed-based operator and such airport.
It further agrees that it will not, either directly or
indirectly, grant or permit any person, firm, or
corporation, the exclusive right at the airport to conduct
any aeronautical activities, including, but not limited to
charter flights, pilot training, aircraft rental and
sightseeing, aerial photography, crop dusting, aerial
advertising and surveying, air carrier operations, aircraft
sales and services, sale of aviation petroleum products
whether or not conducted in conjunction with other
aeronautical activity, repair and maintenance of airc raft,
sale of aircraft parts, and any other activities which
because of their direct relationship to the operation of
aircraft can be regarded as an aeronautical activity, and
that it will terminate any exclusive right to conduct an
aeronautical activity now existing at such an airport before
the grant of any assistance under Title 49, United States
Code.
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Bottom line: If your airport accepted federal funding, EVER, they can't deny
you the right to fuel your own aircraft.
Now they CAN come up with insurance "requirements" (similar to Lycoming's
"no mogas" 'rule'), but those are easily worked around simply by making sure
that your fueling set up meets state regulations, the way our "Mighty Grape"
fuel truck does.
Our state-compliant fuel truck cost a TOTAL of $2800 (including the
professionally-made fuel tank and pump), and has saved us in excess of $7000.
AND
we get to use it as a pickup truck, so it's a win-win all around.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"
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What Law is that exactly?
In a message dated 7/14/2006 3:15:23 PM Pacific Standard Time,
jjhoneck@xxxxxxxxx writes:
(Just back from a couple of days camping with the plane (and my son) up on
Madeline Island, out in Lake Superior. If there is anyting else that better
illstrates the best use of a GA airplane, I don't know what it is -- 2.2 hours
from Iowa City to Lake Superior!)
(BTW: 90+ degrees, climb to 10,500 feet, cruise for over 2 hours on that
horrible car gas. Dang, if it didn't run perfectly fine? Amazing! :-)
Anyway, your airport CAN NOT prevent you from bringing car gas to fuel your
own plane. They are violating the law by doing so, and you might point that
out to your airport manager -- with a nice letter from your attorney?
--
Jay
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
_www.AlexisParkInn.com_ (http://www.alexisparkinn.com/)
"Your Aviation Destination"
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In a message dated 7/13/2006 10:05:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mikegot2go@xxxxxxx writes:
Bringing gas to the airport sees like too much work
and my airport does not allow it.
Ed
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