"" John, I knew I had it somewhere, but will come onto that. If the thicker nut is screwed down onto the thin nut "to within a few degrees of its limit", I doubt that the lower nut COULD be undone. However, that depends on how one defines "tightened in normal way" and all the other terms used."" Gents, I was looking at a book I have on machinery in the 1890s, I found a cut that showed a square nut tightened against a lockwasher. Interestingly, the nut was what we would consider "upside down" in that the crown side was against the lockwasher! Why, I don't know so don't ask me, but there were two different pictures and both showed the same arrangement. The "write up", paid ad actually, was for a company that made bolts and other fasteners so I don't think it was in error. Anyway, I will continue to put my nuts on lockwashers with the crown side upward. Jesse in Tennessee MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.