Alan, Well I'm going to stick my head above the parapet. This is what I think the guy's going on about. The thin nut is tightened, stretching the bolt slightly and making the upper flanks of the nut thread bear against the lower flanks of the bolt. The other nut is bought down to bear against the lower nut, but not tightly. Again the upper flanks of the nut thread bear against the lower flanks of the bolt thread. By "loosening" the lower nut, the clearance in the thread is taken up in the opposite direction, so now the lower flanks of the nut thread push against the upper flanks of the bolt thread. In the meantime the clamping load has been transferred to the upper nut threads. The tension in the bolt should remain the same. As to whether he's right.... I dunno. As those who remember leisurely Saturday afternoos with Kent Walton's measured wrestling commentaries might recall Seconds away, round one JohnP ----- Original Message ----- From: "alan stepney" <alan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: [modeleng] Technical education We have often discussed and bemoaned the lack of technically competant engineers and compare the educaton of today to "what it was in my day". Someone has lent me one of the basic textbooks used by those in the early stages of a technical education. (Metalcraft, by F. J. Wynter) Having read through it and found several errors, the following being an example: (Yes, we have also discussed the placing of thin versus thick nuts, but lets put that to one side for a moment.) Locknuts. This (thin) nut is screwed down and tightened up in the normal way. The thick nut is then screwed down on top of it, to within a few degrees of its limit. THEN THE THIN NUT IS UNSCREWED BACK UP TO THE TOP NUT. No prizes for spotting the errors in this method! Alan Stepney http://www.alanstepney.info Model Engineering & steam engine information pages MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/403 - Release Date: 28/07/2006 MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.