Yeah John, It would be a lot cheaper (but weaker) to make a vise like 90% of them are made now days. I would like to have one of them Kurtz clones, but as I said, I have seen that vice frame broken away exactly where the key is located. Lota of stress there, especially if one holds something near the top of the jaws and then really tightens down the screw. Admittidly the ones I have seen broken were at trade schools and had been subject to abuse by students. Jesse in summat coolish West Tennessee, Brrrr > Jesse, > > I think you got it right with "its cheaper that way" > > John MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.