At 08:27 AM 11/19/05 EST, you wrote: >I have a Rong Fu RL80RF311 Mill/Drill with a 8" x 28" Table. >find a suitable Milling Machine Vice. I want something which is very =20 >substantial ~ 4" jaw width. Does anyone have an idea ? - Bruce Bruce, The general murmer around the machine tool world is that Rong Fu verisons of various machines are as good as you will find from the far east. Are you in the USA? If so all of the big mail-order tool houses (MSC, J&L, Travers, etc) carry Chinese clones of "Kurt" brand milling machine vises in 4" size for between $125 and $150. Mine is from Travers Tool, Cat #61-204-204 (Taiwan) and I and two other owners I know have been completely satisfied with ours although as you know the exact item may change from year to year depending upon their supplier. Even the 4" size are rather heavy at about 50lbs=B1 ea. Regards, Harry Wade Nashville Tennessee MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.