Bruce, What is wrong with the vice that came qith the machine? The reason for the question is that whilst some of "those" vices are inaccurate to start with a little work on them can produce a good vice for light work. Regards, John MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.