Harry, what Bruce needs is a 6" "Made in India" mill vise/vice like the one I got from ENCO. The thing prolly weighs more that his milling machine as it is all I can do to lift it onto my mill from off its storage table. (Actually I may have stretched that a bit as the vise only weighs 120 pounds and I am sure his machine weighs more than that.) Redneck Jesse in Tennessee > > Bruce, > The general murmer around the machine tool world is that Rong Fu > verisons of various machines are as good as you will find from the far > east. Are you in the USA? If so all of the big mail-order tool > houses (MSC, J&L, Travers, etc) carry Chinese clones of "Kurt" brand > milling machine vises in 4" size for between $125 and $150. Mine is from > Travers Tool, Cat #61-204-204 (Taiwan) and I and two other owners I know > have been completely satisfied with ours although as you know the exact > item may change from year to year depending upon their supplier. Even the > 4" size are rather heavy at about 50lbs=B1 ea. > > > Regards, > Harry Wade > Nashville Tennessee MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.