I have a Rong Fu RL80RF311 Mill/Drill with a 8" x 28" Table. This is one of the popular Mills/Drills seen in many ads. I understand this machine is made in Taiwan, not Red China. There is a local store which sells an identical machine but made in Red China which seems to be a real lost cause. My question is: the Vice which came with the machine is very poor. The store where I bought my machine caters to larger machine shops and could not help me find a suitable Milling Machine Vice. I want something which is very substantial ~ 4" jaw width. Does anyone have an idea ? thanks in advance, Bruce MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.