Of course the 12" stuff is more dangerous than our hobby. Can I just say a gauge, not much bigger than ours has had drivers killed. The RHDR may be bigger than most of us but not a lot all in all. I am not going to go into the where-with-what-ever but the fact remains, steam engines can do damage no matter what gauge. My Sweet Pea derailed on a 1/4 dia stick, dug in and threw me over the top. Ok I wasn't hanging around and not hauling passengers but it dug in and threw me. £15 repairs, how much if I was hauling passengers? Work it out for yourself, 5 adults, 12stone apiece, a couple of kids, negligible weight really, going down a 1 in 90 bank, as per a few tracks I know, what weight is behind you, what braking force have you on your truck and if a child runs out, what chance have you got? A 7 1/4 loco hauling would never stop. I could bang on for pages about the pitfalls, The SVR, you can't walk around the loco anymore, Not allowed to give footplate rides anymore (unless exceptional circumstances so I'm told). At the end of the day, Brussels is dictating my 12" safety, the rest of Europe are takin no notice but whatever! When it comes down to our miniature locos, The boiler ticket says it all. Remember a full sized boiler is tested every 10 years and that's a riveted construction. We are owner drivers!!! Do we want to damage our engine?.... I think not, we got to fix it! As for the CRB bit for drivers, Now Am I missing summat here? Driver me (Already crb checked anyway) is looking forward for the signals, the road etc, can't see naff all behind me... Ok I got to get off this soapbox, I get vertigo!! Dave. ----- Original Message ----- From: "alan stepney" <alan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 7:22 PM Subject: [modeleng] Re: Driver training (was Accidents) That just illustrates that there are several sides to this question, (and, naturally, various different opinions). I can see the ways of full size, and as you say, we do have it easier. But, I'll bet your 12" scale engine can do more damage than my 3/4" scale one! Perhaps that is a good reason for different rules. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Beaman" <davebeaman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 5:05 PM Subject: [modeleng] Re: Driver training (was Accidents) .. it doesn't matter if you own a fleet of locos, you still have to pass the required exams to be able to drive them on that particular railway. ... so you see, we have it easy in the small gauges. Dave. MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line. MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.