I have sat and watched this subject for a little while and thought of keeping quiet. However, if you look at any preserved railway, you will find that it doesn't matter if you own a fleet of locos, you still have to pass the required exams to be able to drive them on that particular railway. If your loco visits another railway and you are a qualified driver on the first, you can then only drive under supervision, with the permission of the railways rostered driver. Ok, our hobby is smaller and the routes are much easier to learn but you have to prove yourself competent, I have seen many drivers driving solo that I wouldn't trust with a passenger train. As a father whose kids enjoy riding behind miniature locos, I would want to know that the driver is competent at what he is doing. My local club, the Sutton Coldfield MES, has in place a driver competence assessment, not difficult but you have to show you know what to do if something goes wrong, not just how to drive in circles. Many of you have been to the SVR, our drivers there have a rules/procedure/loco exam that's lasts 3hrs followed by at least 2 practical exams on all aspects from prepping, driving to finally disposing so you see, we have it easy in the small gauges. Climbing down off my soapbox now, Dave. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Renaud (Ron) Olgiati" <renaud@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 4:27 PM Subject: [modeleng] Re: Driver training (was Accidents) On Thursday 10 August 2006 11:05, my mailbox was graced by a missive from Peter Sheppard <puffernutter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> who wrote: > Don't confuse training with competence, they are very different. > The trouble is that people who have been trained, then think they are > competent. And in most cases they arent . True, just look at accident statistics of drivers with a "new" driving licence. Cheers, Ron. -- A day for firm decisions!!!!! Or is it ? -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line. MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.