[lit-ideas] Re: Vanunu's Secret
- From: "Judith Evans" <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 19:12:40 +0100
Stan Spiegel
>tired of Omar's condescending self-righteousness
who isn't?
-- but I believe he is correct to say you're wrong about the total absence
of Jews in these countries.
Judy Evans
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Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Vanunu's Secret
"Will you provide
evidence that 22 Arab countries are "virulently
Jew-hating?" Omar asks.
Yes Omar:
I can provide evidence that they are Jew-hating. Check how many Jews live in
those 22 Arab countries. Every single Jew -- every one -- has been evicted,
thrown out or killed. There are simply no Jews in any of those countries.Not
one. Compare that to the number of Palestinians who live in Israel.
The tolerance for Jews is in direct proportion to how many live in each Arab
country. Google that!
Stan Spiegel
tired of Omar's condescending self-righteousness
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From: "Omar Kusturica" <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 10:04 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Vanunu's Secret
> --- JulieReneB@xxxxxxx wrote:
> > <<1." Israel is not a member of the NPT". >>
> > Are you equating Israel with North Korea, e.g., in
> > relationship to its level
> > of threat?
>
> *No, I am not "equating Israel with North Korea". I
> believe Israel is a much greater threat.
>
> If you believe Israel's level of threat
> > to be anything but
> > *defensive* and in proportion to the level of threat
> > that surround it, please give me
> > evidence of the peace making going on in the 22
> > virulently Jew-hating Arab
> > countries poised on Israel's flanks.
>
> *I told you, a number of countries have diplomatic
> relations, nobody is thinking about attacking Israel.
> But that will not obviusly make it through your
> primitive prejudices, which you further posit as a
> priori true unless proven otherwise. Will you provide
> evidence that 22 Arab countries are "virulently
> Jew-hating" ?
>
> > <<2. "It has a recent history of aggression against
> > other countries, an
> > on-going pattern of violent behavior, and general
> > defiance of international norms
> > and opinion." >>
> >
> > The Arab countries threatening Israel have initiated
> > 5 wars and aided in two
> > 'Intifadas'.
>
> *If you believe that Arab countries initiated 5 wars,
> you need to start reading less of those blogs and more
> history. Some general education is a requirement,
> after all.
>
> Allow me to supply a definition from
> > the 'Non-apologist's
> > Dictionary of ---'Intifada'.--- A bloody uprising by
> > terrorists aimed at murdering
> > and maiming *soft targets*: children, women and the
> > elderly. The targets of
> > the Intifada are randomly chosen without
> > consideration of threat level.
>
> *The above is contradictory.
>
> Omar, are you serious? Do you really believe that
> Israel is standing
> there
> waving the saber of nuclear warfare at the hostile
> Arab countries that
> surround
> it? Israel's nuclear weapons, as you well know, are
> purely defensive.
>
> *Who says ? You could not even quote an official
> statement to that effect.
>
> If you
> > really want me to go into international norms and
> > opinions I would be happy to.
> > Would you like me to start with on-going slavery, or
> > the attitude of general
> > anti-semitism as evidenced by the wide spread
> > acceptance of the 'Protocols of
> > the Elders of Zion' and general 'conspiracy
> > paranoia' that pervades most
> > inter-Arab discussion of Israel in the MiddleEast.
>
> *What evidence do you have of "wide spread
> acceptance of the 'Protocols of the Elders of
> Zion'"? How is this anything about hostile stereotypes
> ?
>
> >
> > Re. the Jewish lobby whose enormous power in America
> > worries you so, to me it
> > speaks more to paranoid delusions of Jewish
> > omnipotence than it does any
> > actual power by Jewish lobbying groups. The
> > Evangelical Christian block might be
> > one to worry more about.
>
> *Actually, I mentioned the evangelical block, but you
> don't listen. Anyway, further discussion would be
> pointless, as your assertions are supported by
> personal insults instead of arguments. Good to see
> that the tender lady act was all pretense from the
> start.
>
> O.K.
>
>
>
>
>
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