There's an expression in the psychological community that says, behavior first, feelings will follow. If we behave in a civilized way, which is to say never allow torture of any kind, then the civilization *has* to follow. There is no way that one can say let's act like barbarians and civilization will follow. > [Original Message] > From: Paul Stone <pas@xxxxxxxx> > To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: 4/6/2006 9:30:30 AM > Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Is torture wrong by definition? > > > >AA: As far as torture goes, the word wrong may > >not appear in the definition, but certainly torture would appear on a list > >of attributes of what can't be present if civilization were to flourish, > >which is how I understood Omar's point. > > Perhaps you are correct, but it may be necessary to GET to civilization. > What's that saying, "you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet?" > > uncivilizedly, > > Paul > > ########## > Paul Stone > pas@xxxxxxxx > Kingsville, ON, Canada > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, > digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html