Re: the best M body ...

  • From: "JB" <Jbuf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <leica@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:14:34 -0400

Well I have owned M3ds, m3ss.  M4., M4-2.M4p CL and Cle.  And to tell the truth 
I think the best M camera is the one that is loaded with film and I am shooting 
with

JOHN 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: feli 
  To: leica@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:59 AM
  Subject: Re: the best M body ...




  On Aug 3, 2005, at 5:20 AM, Dave Saalsaa wrote:





        Leica M3...?  the best built M body ever  ?   with the best  viewfinder 
of all ?








        is this the common wisdom?



  Yes, but tend to disagree. (I own M2/M4/M4-2/M6TTL/M7 and have had an M3 on 
loan for a few weeks.)
  I believe this notion often originates from the opinions expressed on the 
cameraquest page.


  The M3 is extremely well made, but so is the M2/M4/M5. I really do not see a 
difference in quality between them.


  The M3 finder may be the most flare resistant, but it's the only M finder 
which doesn't have frame lines for the 35; instead it supports 50/90/135. The 
M3/M2 prism block has also been cemented with Canadian balsam, which over time 
yellows and becomes brittle. This is why you hear about M3/M2 rangefinder 
patches dying after an impact. The block can become separated and it's a very 
expensive repair, which only a few shops will even attempt to do. Starting with 
the M4 Leica switched to a synthetic glue, which is cured with UV light, and 
this method is a lot more rugged.


  The biggest reason why the M3 feels as smooth as it does, is because the 
gearing is made of brass and not the mixture of steel and brass as found in 
post M4 cameras. Leica switched to steel gears starting with the M4-2, because 
the brass was not strong enough to support the Leicavit or motordrives. Also 
keep in mind that most M3 cameras have had a few years or decades of 'break in' 
time. After maybe 200 rolls my M6TTL is also a lot smoother, than when I 
purchased it new. 


  In my experience, the M3 doesn't not feel any smoother than my M2 or M4 and I 
was very pleasantly surprised the first time I handled the new MP and my M7.




  The worst camera Leica every made is the M4-2. I consider it the low point of 
the line, because it is the least reliable. Mine has already died once, even 
after a Sherry CLA.


  I have found the M6TTL, to be extremely reliable, but to have the worst fit 
and finish of the bunch. The covering feels cheap and the rewind knob on mine 
is downright crude. The anodizing is thin and compared to the older cameras it 
feels somewhat crude. I hate to make this comparison, but the TTL reminds me of 
an AK-47. Rough around the edges and well finished where it needs to be, but it 
will continue to operate without a hitch under circumstances than have long 
since killed the operator.


  The new MP and M7 are also extremely good and after reading about the 
internal changes that Leica has made I believe that these may turn out to be 
the most durable cameras they ever made. There have been changes to new 
materials that simply didn't exist 50 years ago and CNC machining ensures a 
level of accuracy that would have been impossible to maintain on the assembly 
line, in pre-automated days.


  So, here are my choices


  Best traditional body:


  M4


  Perfect frame line set (35/50/90/135)
  UV glue in the finder
  Quickload system
  Old world craftsmanship


  Best modern body:


  MP/M7


  Fit and finish is exquisite
  New materials insure long life.






  Feli








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