[jhb] Re: SRA
- From: "Fossil" <fossil@xxxxxxx>
- To: <jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:08:54 +0100
It's a tricky one and although unprofessional I guess the real question is
whether he provided a compromised service. I suspect if he does this again
he might not get a friendly reception.
bones
bones@xxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Mike Lucas
Sent: 16 October 2009 08:16
To: jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jhb] Re: SRA
Bones
Re EGNM_TWR simultaneously flying on Vatsim. I can confirm this: when
first contacting him, his message - as well as the usual info - included
the words "Text only - currently flying on Vatsim". So I checked the
Vatsim traffic on ServInfo and, sure enough, the same Daniel Lipscombe
was en route Palma to Manchester as EZY28x (can't recall the last
character of his callsign). My contact with him was fairly brief, but
he excused himself for five minutes when I was on the ground at EGNM and
compiling my flight plan for EGNS. Not sure to what extent this may
have compromised traffic - which was very light, and largely monopolised
by a Typhoon doing circuits (?? a pal of TWR??) and calling Mayday in
the process. But it doesn't give a good impression of IVAO ATC when the
controller pops up a message telling traffic that he's simultaneously
flying on Vatsim.
More of a problem for me was the appalling quality of his voice setup.
Mike L
Fossil wrote:
> My post was only intended to describe in brief how an SRA works - it
doesn't
> provide any instruction in how to conduct one or any of the very specific
> radio procedures required.
>
> I presume an SRA is taught as part of the C2 exam so I guess you have to
be
> rated APP to conduct one.
>
> As to your Leeds TWR controller flying on VATSIM as well as controlling on
> IVAO it depends on circumstances. How do you know he was flying on VATSIM?
> Did he ignore his IVAO duties and compromise traffic? If the latter is
true
> you should have followed the rules and called in a supervisor and then
> explained the situation to him - he can then reprimand or kick the user as
> he sees fit.
>
> You can find a list of supervisors online from the IVAO HQ, Services page.
> Alternatively you could have sent a WALLOP message on text.
>
> bones
> bones@xxxxxxx
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Frank Fisher
> Sent: 15 October 2009 22:55
> To: jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jhb] Re: SRA
>
> Bones
> Yes he specifically asked for an SRA app and whether I was qualified to
> carry out the procedure, from your earlier email, I did not realize how
> involved it was.
> I will print it out.
> Frank
>
> Ps
> Tonight whilst on Leeds app, discovered that my Tower controller was also
> flying on Vatsim, would explain why DFT501 left the circuit for EGGP
rather
> peeved. Not sure whether I should report it and to whom. I did have a text
> from IVAO-AEI querying why 501 was now on my frq instead of TWR as his FP
> was for circuits EGNM, shows you do not know who is watching.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fossil" <fossil@xxxxxxx>
> To: <jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:38 PM
> Subject: [jhb] Re: SRA
>
>
>> I don't understand what you are saying.
>>
>> If the pilot requested an SRA then he is asking for a radar talkdown.
That
>> means he has no navaids available to fly the approach himself and it is
up
>> to you to get him on the ground.
>>
>> Are you sure it was an SRA he requested?
>>
>> bones
>> bones@xxxxxxx
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
>> Of F FISHER
>> Sent: 15 October 2009 14:48
>> To: jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [jhb] Re: SRA
>>
>> Bones
>>
>> I gathered he wanted to practise doing the approach whilst I gave him
>> radar
>> cover and help. Seemed to be a bit peeved that I did not answer in the
>> affirmative, never having to do this procedure before. Appart from missed
>> approaches.
>>
>> In fact, this was just after my tower controller disappeared without
>> warning, (a 2 hour newbie, he appeared also without contacting me, very
>> rude).
>>
>> I doubt I will see the pilot again, and if it was me, I would have done
an
>> inital practise offline before bugging a controller.
>>
>> Frank
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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