Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode

Caroline,

No problem. I wasn't expressing a passionate opinion. Just being agreeable 
for sociability's sake. No argument from me, either way.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Caroline" <carolinecongdon@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode


Because this defeats the entire purpose. We can't say that we want to be
able to surf the net like our sighted peers and then say we don't want the
functionality that makes it possible. If a sighted person is dropped into
the Google search and wants to go somewhere else on the page, they just use
the mouse to get there. That's absolutely no different from using the
keyboard to accomplish the same task. If auto-forms mode has turned on,
pressing the up arrow key is going to turn it off. As I see it, there's no
difference.

Caroline

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode


> That sounds like a fine idea. Why not suggest it to them?
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "DJ" <grouloc@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 5:39 PM
> Subject: RE: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
>
>
> I think that the whole problem could be solved by FS making JAWS place the
> user at the top of every page no matter what, and not automatically
> reading.
> Then each user has full control.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Yardbird
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 11:21 AM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
>
> Hi Peter and all,
>
> It occurs to me that the reason this inconvenient forms mode thing is
> happening when some Web pages load is that for reasons I'm not
> sophisticated
> enough to understand, the Jaws focus is sometimes drawn to the first edit
> field it sees as the page loads. As everyone knows, this doesn't happen
> with
> every page, not even a lot of pages that have search functions not far
> from
> the top of the page. The New York Times, for instance. When one of the
> article pages load, Jaws leaves me at the top of the page where I can hear
> the headline of the article and the name of the paper. If I actually wish
> to
> use the global search function to look for something I don't know where to
> find in that day's edition, I hit E or arrow down or whatever until I get
> to
> the search form.
>
> But on other Web pages, Jaws jumps to a search edit field immediately,
> bypassing text and other page elements that precede it if I arrow back
> upward to see what's there. So it's something about this which, if it
> didn't
> happen that way, wouldn't trigger the auto forms mode thing that's got
> everyone annoyed. Or almost everyone, anyway.
>
> If anyone knows more about page design and the coding of Jaws to confirm
> or
> preferably add to that admitted speculation, I'd be really interested to
> hear something more about this. It's the technology that interests me at
> this point, as I am not playing with the Beta and I don't feel like
> getting
> involved in complaining about Freedom Scientific's corporate style or
> defending them, either.
>
> Thanks very much.
> From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 7:27 AM
> Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
>
>
> Yeh you do it out of habit, and then because it's already in forms mode it
> causes you to  press submit or something instead.
>
> As I say, I like it though, just don't want it to turn on automatically.
>
> Peter
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "dave-d0619" <dave-d0619@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 2:01 AM
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
>
>> I like that improvement, especially for sites such as Google, where
>> you land on the search edit field after the site has loaded.
>>
>> Personally, I am so used to pressing ENTER to turn on Forms Mode, I
>> would probably continue to do it out of habit and, as we all know,
>> some habits are so hard to break or change.
>>
>> Sincerely:
>>
>> Dave Durber
>>
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