Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode

Because this defeats the entire purpose. We can't say that we want to be able to surf the net like our sighted peers and then say we don't want the functionality that makes it possible. If a sighted person is dropped into the Google search and wants to go somewhere else on the page, they just use the mouse to get there. That's absolutely no different from using the keyboard to accomplish the same task. If auto-forms mode has turned on, pressing the up arrow key is going to turn it off. As I see it, there's no difference.


Caroline

----- Original Message ----- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode


That sounds like a fine idea. Why not suggest it to them?

----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ" <grouloc@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 5:39 PM
Subject: RE: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode


I think that the whole problem could be solved by FS making JAWS place the
user at the top of every page no matter what, and not automatically reading.
Then each user has full control.




-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Yardbird
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 11:21 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode

Hi Peter and all,

It occurs to me that the reason this inconvenient forms mode thing is
happening when some Web pages load is that for reasons I'm not sophisticated
enough to understand, the Jaws focus is sometimes drawn to the first edit
field it sees as the page loads. As everyone knows, this doesn't happen with every page, not even a lot of pages that have search functions not far from
the top of the page. The New York Times, for instance. When one of the
article pages load, Jaws leaves me at the top of the page where I can hear
the headline of the article and the name of the paper. If I actually wish to
use the global search function to look for something I don't know where to
find in that day's edition, I hit E or arrow down or whatever until I get to
the search form.

But on other Web pages, Jaws jumps to a search edit field immediately,
bypassing text and other page elements that precede it if I arrow back
upward to see what's there. So it's something about this which, if it didn't
happen that way, wouldn't trigger the auto forms mode thing that's got
everyone annoyed. Or almost everyone, anyway.

If anyone knows more about page design and the coding of Jaws to confirm or
preferably add to that admitted speculation, I'd be really interested to
hear something more about this. It's the technology that interests me at
this point, as I am not playing with the Beta and I don't feel like getting
involved in complaining about Freedom Scientific's corporate style or
defending them, either.

Thanks very much.
From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode


Yeh you do it out of habit, and then because it's already in forms mode it
causes you to  press submit or something instead.

As I say, I like it though, just don't want it to turn on automatically.

Peter

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From: "dave-d0619" <dave-d0619@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 2:01 AM
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode

I like that improvement, especially for sites such as Google, where
you land on the search edit field after the site has loaded.

Personally, I am so used to pressing ENTER to turn on Forms Mode, I
would probably continue to do it out of habit and, as we all know,
some habits are so hard to break or change.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

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