Because this defeats the entire purpose. We can't say that we want to be able to surf the net like our sighted peers and then say we don't want the functionality that makes it possible. If a sighted person is dropped into the Google search and wants to go somewhere else on the page, they just use the mouse to get there. That's absolutely no different from using the keyboard to accomplish the same task. If auto-forms mode has turned on, pressing the up arrow key is going to turn it off. As I see it, there's no difference.
Caroline----- Original Message ----- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 8:32 PM Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode
That sounds like a fine idea. Why not suggest it to them?----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ" <grouloc@xxxxxxxxx>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 5:39 PM Subject: RE: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode I think that the whole problem could be solved by FS making JAWS place theuser at the top of every page no matter what, and not automatically reading.Then each user has full control. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Yardbird Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 11:21 AM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode Hi Peter and all, It occurs to me that the reason this inconvenient forms mode thing ishappening when some Web pages load is that for reasons I'm not sophisticatedenough to understand, the Jaws focus is sometimes drawn to the first editfield it sees as the page loads. As everyone knows, this doesn't happen with every page, not even a lot of pages that have search functions not far fromthe top of the page. The New York Times, for instance. When one of the article pages load, Jaws leaves me at the top of the page where I can hearthe headline of the article and the name of the paper. If I actually wish touse the global search function to look for something I don't know where tofind in that day's edition, I hit E or arrow down or whatever until I get tothe search form. But on other Web pages, Jaws jumps to a search edit field immediately, bypassing text and other page elements that precede it if I arrow backupward to see what's there. So it's something about this which, if it didn'thappen that way, wouldn't trigger the auto forms mode thing that's got everyone annoyed. Or almost everyone, anyway.If anyone knows more about page design and the coding of Jaws to confirm orpreferably add to that admitted speculation, I'd be really interested to hear something more about this. It's the technology that interests me atthis point, as I am not playing with the Beta and I don't feel like gettinginvolved in complaining about Freedom Scientific's corporate style or defending them, either. Thanks very much. From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 7:27 AM Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode Yeh you do it out of habit, and then because it's already in forms mode it causes you to press submit or something instead. As I say, I like it though, just don't want it to turn on automatically. Peter -------------------------------------------------- From: "dave-d0619" <dave-d0619@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 2:01 AM To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms modeI like that improvement, especially for sites such as Google, where you land on the search edit field after the site has loaded. Personally, I am so used to pressing ENTER to turn on Forms Mode, I would probably continue to do it out of habit and, as we all know, some habits are so hard to break or change. Sincerely: Dave Durber -- JFW related links: JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/ Scripting mailing list: http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com JFW List instructions: To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. 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