I think that the whole problem could be solved by FS making JAWS place the user at the top of every page no matter what, and not automatically reading. Then each user has full control. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Yardbird Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 11:21 AM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode Hi Peter and all, It occurs to me that the reason this inconvenient forms mode thing is happening when some Web pages load is that for reasons I'm not sophisticated enough to understand, the Jaws focus is sometimes drawn to the first edit field it sees as the page loads. As everyone knows, this doesn't happen with every page, not even a lot of pages that have search functions not far from the top of the page. The New York Times, for instance. When one of the article pages load, Jaws leaves me at the top of the page where I can hear the headline of the article and the name of the paper. If I actually wish to use the global search function to look for something I don't know where to find in that day's edition, I hit E or arrow down or whatever until I get to the search form. But on other Web pages, Jaws jumps to a search edit field immediately, bypassing text and other page elements that precede it if I arrow back upward to see what's there. So it's something about this which, if it didn't happen that way, wouldn't trigger the auto forms mode thing that's got everyone annoyed. Or almost everyone, anyway. If anyone knows more about page design and the coding of Jaws to confirm or preferably add to that admitted speculation, I'd be really interested to hear something more about this. It's the technology that interests me at this point, as I am not playing with the Beta and I don't feel like getting involved in complaining about Freedom Scientific's corporate style or defending them, either. Thanks very much. From: "Peter Holdstock" <peterholdstock@xxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 7:27 AM Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode Yeh you do it out of habit, and then because it's already in forms mode it causes you to press submit or something instead. As I say, I like it though, just don't want it to turn on automatically. Peter -------------------------------------------------- From: "dave-d0619" <dave-d0619@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 2:01 AM To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: JAWS 10 - Auto forms mode > I like that improvement, especially for sites such as Google, where > you land on the search edit field after the site has loaded. > > Personally, I am so used to pressing ENTER to turn on Forms Mode, I > would probably continue to do it out of habit and, as we all know, > some habits are so hard to break or change. > > Sincerely: > > Dave Durber > > -- > JFW related links: > JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/ Scripting mailing > list: > http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com > JFW List instructions: > To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To > unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to > jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. > Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw > > If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, > or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. 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