Re: auto forms mode
- From: "Rick Harmon" <rharmon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:13:52 -0400
It's called supply and demand. We the blind are but probably no more than
1 percent of their market. So they say 99 percent don't need these changes
and we're not going to make them. Who reports them and to whom? It's
really not all that simple to do what you are wanting to do. Great idea,
but how is it pulled off?
Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Midence" <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: auto forms mode
If the company is hostile to making their application accessible, the
only way they're going to be made to change their stance is if they
can be made to lose money as a result of it. This can be accomplished
in several ways. One that springs to mind is negative publicity in
the press. Has anyone ever exposed them for their negative attitude
and their unwillingness to make their product accessible to the
disabled community? What is their reasoning for being so hostile?
Are they scared someone is going to reverse engineer their software or
something? Are they hostile or just uncooperative?
Alex
On 9/22/08, Rick Harmon <rharmon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> you're comparing apples and oranges. If quicken uses no MSAA or no
> standard
> controls then it's possible that the program just isn't accessible. What
> people are failing to see here is that just because you and someone else
> want a program to be made accessible doesn't mean someone at FS or GW
> waves
> a magic wand and suddenly it works. I could be wrong as I'm no expert on
> accessibility. I've programmed before but have no experience in making
> apps
> accessible.
>
> Rick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DJ" <grouloc@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 10:23 PM
> Subject: RE: auto forms mode
>
>
> Well, take a look at Winamp for example. Scripts have been written to
> make
> it usable with JAWS and WE. FS hasn't even tried to do that with Quicken.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Rick Harmon
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:25 PM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: auto forms mode
>
> I don't know honestly what alternatives are out there. I only know that
> Intuit is hostile in their attitude towards the blind. If the program
> doesn't supply the proper information then it's unlikely that FS or GW can
> make the programs accessible. Everything in a cars innards can be gotten
> to
> one way or another, this doesn't always apply to computer software.
>
> Rick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Stansifer" <larrys@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:04 PM
> Subject: RE: auto forms mode
>
>
> Rick,
>
> Is there an alternative? If so let's explore it.
>
> Let me use an automotive hot-rod allegory.
> Many of the automotive manufacturers don't want to be associated with the
> hot-rod or tuner culture, however there some really bright engineers who
> want to make those cars go fast in spite of the factory. They take these
> cars apart assess their strengths and weaknesses and capitalize on the
> strengths and bolster the weaknesses for a great end result. Why can't the
> same can do approach be applied to JAWS?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Rick Harmon
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 6:52 PM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: auto forms mode
>
>
> Larry, how are they to do this when Intuit is completely hostile to both
> companies and to the blind community in general? I say the hell with
> using
> their programs, let's support someone that wants to help us to use their
> products.
>
> Rick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Stansifer" <larrys@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 8:45 PM
> Subject: RE: auto forms mode
>
>
> This provides an excellent opportunity for the high dollar screen reader
> developers to show how good they really are.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Bruce Toews
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 6:39 PM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: auto forms mode
>
>
> The company that makes Quicken and QuickBooks has indicated no interest in
> making their products more accessible. This is something that both FS and
> GW
> agree on. The fact that no screen reader offers much support for these
> products should be an indicator here of where the blame lies.
>
> bruce
>
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> On Mon, 22 Sep 2008, DJ wrote:
>
>> Now that, I strongly agree with. Quicken and QuickBooks are widely
>> used and could use some FS focus.
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of dave-d0619
>> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 10:54 PM
>> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: auto forms mode
>>
>>
>> For some people, this function may be the best thing since sliced
>> bread and will probably make their day.
>>
>> Personally, I think they could have used their resources to make
>> certain software accessible, such as Quick Books, Quickin etc.
>>
>> Sincerely:
>>
>> Dave Durber
>>
>>
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