[jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
- From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 09:09:39 +1000
ALSO DID YOU TRY THE JAWS 10 SOUND CARD SWITCHING MANAGER OPTIONS UNDER
UTILITY MENU? MAYBE THEY'LL WORK FOR YOU!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Medlar" <amedlar1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:48 PM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
> Hello Geoff,
> Reason for my Scratch Live is that I am trying to script software for a
> local DJ.
> I am using Windows XP and Jaws10.x. If I upgrade Jaws then do I need to
> repeat this process each time FS has a Jaws upgrade?
> Well I used the find command to get JFW.ini. I copied file into my
> documents as backup.
> How do I know that added statement is correct spelling or syntax?I changed
> file as follows:
> [Options]
> ; If FirewallCheck is set to 1, JAWS will attempt to check if a firewall
> ; application is running by prematurely triggering the firewall when
> ; JAWS starts. This setting is off by default and is ignored when JAWS
> ; is set to run at Windows startup.
> FirewallCheck=0
> ; If AutoUpdatesEnabled is set to 1, the you can query for JAWS updates
> ; from the main menu.
> AutoUpdatesEnabled=1
> ; Source path of the Automatic Updates Dll. Multiple paths are delimited
> ; by a semi-colon.
>
UpdateDllSource=ftp://ftp.FreedomScientific.com/users/hj/private/WebFiles/Au
toUpdate/JAWSUpd
>
>
ate.dll;http://files.freedomscientific.com/WebFiles/AutoUpdate/JAWSUpdate.dl
l
>
> [Synthesizers]
> Synth1Name=eloq
> Synth1LongName=Eloquence Software
> Synth1Driver=eloq
> ;; added line 5/20/09 Ann Medlar
> Synth1Port=SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio
> ; end add on 5/20/09 A Medlar
> Synth2Name=SAPI 5X
> Synth2LongName=SAPI 5
> Synth2Driver=sapi5x
> Synth3Name=RealSpeak
> Synth3LongName=RealSpeak Solo Direct
> Synth3Driver=RealSpeak
> [Remote Access]
> UseVirtualSpeech=1
> UseVirtualBraille=1
> No sighted help around so I hesitate to experiment. I think I'll wait
until
> I hear from my friend who btw is far away from me.
> Ann
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:22 PM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
>
>
> > ok GianniP46. hang on a second here.
> > are you saying that this scratch live thing requires another add-on
piece
> > of
> > hardware/equipment to even run/be in the least useful for it's
> > application?
> > which contains it's own audio device in that hardware?
> > Because, if this is the case, did you realize this ann? What exactly is
> > the
> > task your wanting to solve here with this program ann? we better find
out
> > if
> > it is really what you want/need, before we go much further in trying to
> > solve this one, re configuration of jaws into separate sound cards and
the
> > complexities of that one,
> > ought not we?
> >
> > Ann. well, ... ok here's the complexity.
> > jaws10, for the first time,
> > has finally implemented a sound card/audio device, (they mean the same
> > thing
> > by the way,)
> > manager, right into the utilities submenu from their main application
> > context menu, if jaws is running in system tray.
> > i.e. if it is, and if you have jaws 10, you could try hitting insert+j,
> > then
> > down arrowing to utilities, then right arrowing, and looking at the list
> > of
> > available ports in your available sound cards, and hitting enter on the
> > one
> > you'd like.
> > I say, try, this, because, it's the very first itteration of this
feature,
> > and, well all I can tell you from my own personal experience having just
> > tested it here on my system, is, it doesn't work for me!
> > even closing and restarting jaws, even though it shows a checkmark in
that
> > menu when I go back in there, next to the sound card/audio device I want
> > it
> > to use, it's definitely not being output from that device!
> >
> > Now of course I don't know whether this is something in my local system
> > here, I presume so for surely they couldn't release it if it plain
didn't
> > work, but, as I say, my experience today was here it didn't.
> >
> > So, there's a more techy "back end," way, of forcing jaws to use the
> > soundcard you want it to use. and this does work for me under windows
xp,
> > it's what I use to make it happen. and it'll obviously also work for
jaws
> > versions earlier than 10.
> >
> > now when I say this, i add the important following caveats!
> > 1. this is using windows xp. if you've got windows vista installed,
which
> > you may well have since you mention it as a new pc, then this might not
> > work either! and you may have to get your kind friend around for you who
> > suggests such gymnastics as she/he has, and ask them to help you out
with
> > that.
> > 2. this is something in my view, that you don't wanna mess with alone,
> > since
> > if you mess it up, you might get yourself into a situation of having no
> > speech output from jaws
> > at all, if your speech synth is misdirected to some audio device that
> > doesn't exist or whatever. So I caution you to have sighted help around
> > before attempting any of this.
> > The following instructions may thus only be valid for a windows xp
> > installation.
> >
> > the back end way which we've done this for years is:
> > 1. open my computer, go to program files, then freedom scientific, (i.e.
> > not
> > freedom scientific installation information,)
> > then into the folder called jaws, (i.e. not "runTime jaws, just jaws,"
> > then
> > into the version of jaws you have installed, i.e. 9.0, 10.0 etc.
> >
> > 2. hit alt+v, then l, to insure your list is in an upDown configuration,
> > and
> > not in multiple columns across the screen.
> >
> > 3. hit alt+v, then i, for arrange icons, then see if, "name," identifies
a
> > check mark next to it. if it does, hit alt key to dismiss the menu and
> > leave
> > alone. if not, hit enter on name, such that the list is displayed in
name
> > order, and not some other order.
> >
> > 4. type the letters, j f, quickly, to jump to the files starting with
> > those
> > letters.
> > now, here's where things can get kinda messy.
> > hopefully, although windows doesn't ship this way by default, you have
> > altered the settings such that you will hear the file extensions, i.e.
the
> > 3
> > character part after the period in every file name, which helps denote
to
> > windows, what file type each file is.
> > now there are multiple files in here beginning withi the letters jfw,
you
> > want the one called jfw.ini. now if you don't have extentions enabled,
> > then
> > you may be in the unpleasant situation of only being informed that all 3
> > of
> > the first files in alphabetical order, all speak simply as, jfw.
> > However, they are not the same. in my list here, the first is jfw.enu,
the
> > second is jfw.exe, and the third, is the one you want, jfw.ini.
> >
> > 5. hit enter on jfw.ini, and hopefully it will have notepad as the
> > default
> > word processor to handle ini files,
> > and open it in that program. if it comes up with a box indicating it
> > doesn't
> > know how to handle these, then try choosing that you want it to open in
> > notepad. instructions how to do this beyond the scope of this document.
> >
> > 6. if you've got the right file, you should see lines like the
following:
> > [Options]
> > ; If FirewallCheck is set to 1, JAWS will attempt to check if a firewall
> > ; application is running by prematurely triggering the firewall when
> > ; JAWS starts. This setting is off by default and is ignored when JAWS
> > ; is set to run at Windows startup.
> > FirewallCheck=0
> >
> >
> > note that some lines begin with semi colons in here, they are lines
which
> > are comments, and don't get processed by windows as valid compile lines,
> > just like in script manager.
> > this is handy to know if you wanna have multiple lines, and switch them
on
> > or off from being processed by placing semi colons at their far left
hand
> > ends.
> >
> > also note that sections in here, are denoted by being surrounded with
> > brackets. like
> > [options] [
> >
> > [Synthesizers]
> >
> > etc.
> >
> >
> > 7. scroll down until you find the section called
> > [Synthesizers]
> > you should see in here, lines like:
> > Synth1Name=eloq
> > Synth1LongName=Eloquence Software
> > Synth1Driver=eloq
> >
> > 8. now, presuming you are just using default settings and eloquence as
> > your
> > main synth, and thus utilizing synth1 settings here,
> > just above the lines starting with synth2, make a blank line by hitting
> > home
> > on that line then hitting enter, then up arrowing again such that your
> > over
> > the blank line, just below the line
> > Synth1Driver=eloq.
> >
> > 9. now what we need to do here is paste in a line like the following,
but
> > with the name of the sound card you want to force jaws to use after the
> > words,
> >
> > Synth1Port=
> >
> > but exactly, as displayed in sounds and audio devices in control pannel,
> > in
> > the, "audio" tab.
> >
> > . given your message of what looks like three sound cards/audio devices
> > your system currently has installed,, if you wanted jaws to use the
sound
> > max audio device for example, you might try the following line:
> >
> > Synth1Port=SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio
> >
> >
> > now this is assuming, that this is the way this audio device appears in
> > the
> > above place on your system, as taken from what you've posted about it.
but
> > I
> > can't guarantee this will be the case of course.
> >
> > then hit control+s to save, and, as I say, insuring you have sighted
help
> > about, in case this fails totally and you lose speech, quit and restart
> > jaws. and see if it now comes out the sound max digital audio device.
> > I hope this helps.
> >
> >
> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:13 AM
> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
> >
> >
> >> The hardware that you have to use with ScratchLive acts as the sound
card
> >> for the music and the regular sound card handles Jaws.
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Donald Marang" <donald.marang@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:32 AM
> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
> >>
> >>
> >> >I have not used this program or any other DJ software lately. I am
just
> >> > curious. If you regularly do this kind of work, wouldn't you want to
> > use
> >> > a
> >> > second sound card anyway? I thought most blind DJs typically
directed
> >> > JAWS
> >> > to another sound card and output so it is not heard mixed with the
> > music.
> >> > I
> >> > would think a USB external sound card, and directing JAWS to
headphones
> >> > would be the typical solution. This should certainly eliminate the
DJ
> >> > program from distorting JAWS.
> >> >
> >> > Sorry if I am not understanding the purpose of this application or
the
> >> > situation.
> >> >
> >> > Don Marang
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 1:05 AM
> >> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> GianniP, what sound card or cards have you got installed on your
> >> >> puter?
> >> >> and
> >> >> Ann, what have you got.
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "GianniP46" <giannip46@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 2:45 AM
> >> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> I am using version 1.8.3 on a regular basis with no problems. I
have
> >> >>> started messing around with 1.9 and I cannot confirm the problem
with
> >> >> fuzzy
> >> >>> speech.
> >> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 8:16 PM
> >> >>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > Woopse. sorry Ann, did not see this before I sent my last.
> >> >>> > Ann I don't know this program at all and will await other's
> >> >>> > comments
> >> >>> > who
> >> >>> > know it. but, when you say below that you, "use the jaws key,",
do
> > you
> >> >>> > mean
> >> >>> > you examine the screen with the jaws Cursor? and are you saying
> >> >>> > you
> >> >>> > cannot
> >> >>> > read any text on the screen with that in this scratch live
software
> >> >>> > program?
> >> >>> > as far as the jaws sounding "off station," ... wow,
> >> >>> > man that does seem very strange. I wish I could actually hear
what
> >> >>> > your
> >> >>> > talking about here. we can't have attachments to the list posts
> >> >>> > can
> >> >>> > we
> >> >>> > everet? such that ann could send an audio clip of a "normal," and
> >> >>> > "fuzzyness," of eloquence sound?
> >> >>> > I presume you are using the default eloquence speech synthesizer
> >> >>> > are
> >> >>> > you
> >> >>> > Ann? for remember that jaws is just the screenReader and can be
> >> >>> > made
> >> >>> > to
> >> >>> > pipe
> >> >>> > it's output through a number of differing synthesizers. Though
to
> > me
> >> >>> > eloquence is still the best quality for the negligible
performance
> >> >> usage
> >> >>> > it
> >> >>> > seems to require.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > now I will tell you, that over the years, I have found something
> > quite
> >> >> odd
> >> >>> > with eloquence and top end clarity on differing computer systems.
> >> >>> > Glen
> >> >>> > from
> >> >>> > FS even called me up about it one day after a post I made to some
> > list
> >> >>> > about
> >> >>> > it, and we talked about it for quite a while, seeking to get to
the
> >> >> bottom
> >> >>> > of what might be going on.
> >> >>> > Being an audio man/musician myself, my claim was, that on my 98
> >> >> machine,
> >> >>> > fitted with an old creative labs sound blaster live platinum
sound
> >> >>> > card
> >> >> I
> >> >>> > think it is,
> >> >>> > eloquence had a certain beautiful top end clarity, that it simply
> > did
> >> >>> > absolutely not have, on my xp machine, under a sound max digital
> > audio
> >> >>> > sound
> >> >>> > card.
> >> >>> > And the other caveat was, that when window eyes was run on the xp
> > box,
> >> >>> > through it's own rendering of the eloquence synthesizer, all the
> > same
> >> >> nice
> >> >>> > top end was present, which as I say, absolutely wasn't present,
> >> >>> > when
> >> >>> > running
> >> >>> > jaws through it's eloquence output implementation.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > What I think we established, might, have been going on in the
end,
> > was
> >> >>> > that
> >> >>> > the issue had something to do with the way the sound max drivers,
> >> >> handled
> >> >>> > the default 11khz sampling rate output, that the jaws rendering
of
> > the
> >> >>> > eloquence speech synthesizer, was presenting to it.
> >> >>> > Glen concluded that he thought that my sound blaster sound card,
> >> >>> > was
> >> >>> > actually up sampling the eloquence output, to 22.5.khz, actually
> >> >> seemingly
> >> >>> > to allow for an increase, in the top end frequencies produced,
but
> > did
> >> >> so
> >> >>> > using such a nice algorithm, that it also filtered out all the
> >> >>> > undesirable,
> >> >>> > fuzzy sounding, digital artifacts, called aliusing, that
naturally
> >> >>> > tends
> >> >>> > to
> >> >>> > occur when this is done unless it's been very carefully filtered
to
> >> >> remove
> >> >>> > those.
> >> >>> > whereas my sound max digital audio sound card, was leaving the
> >> >>> > eloquence
> >> >>> > alone at the 11.025 khz sampling rate, and just allowing it to be
> >> >>> > output
> >> >>> > at
> >> >>> > that, without mmesing with it at all. hense the duller top end
when
> >> >>> > compared
> >> >>> > to that produced by both window eyes rendering of eloquence,
which
> >> >>> > I
> >> >> think
> >> >>> > we determined might also have been up sampling the output to
22khz,
> >> >>> > and
> >> >>> > jaws
> >> >>> > through eloquence on the sound blaster box.
> >> >>> > Now I'm afraid I don't really have time over the next couple
weeks,
> > to
> >> >> do
> >> >>> > any more decent research about this,, would you say that the,
> >> >> "fuzzyness,"
> >> >>> > and, "off-station," sound of jaws/eloquence your seeking to
> > describe,
> >> >> is
> >> >>> > a
> >> >>> > drop in clarity/top end frequencies? or would you say it sounds
> >> >>> > more
> >> >> like
> >> >>> > it's got added top end, but with kinda fuzzy ugly digital
artifacts
> >> >> thrown
> >> >>> > in on top.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > I'll nearly bet it's the latter, and if so, I'd hazard a guess
that
> >> >>> > the
> >> >>> > scratch live software may've put a driver in the chain, which is
> >> >>> > forcing
> >> >>> > everything that comes out of that sound card, to be up sampled to
> >> >> 22.khz,
> >> >>> > not expecting that anyone these days is going to have sounds on
> > their
> >> >>> > puters
> >> >>> > of such a low grade 11khz sampling rate, but doing so without
> > seeking
> >> >>> > to
> >> >>> > properly filter the aliusing from the sound? ... maybe! it's just
a
> >> >> guess.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>> > From: "Ann Medlar" <amedlar1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>> > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 7:45 AM
> >> >>> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Scratch Live Install
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >> Don't know why original message did not show up when I replied
to
> >> >> Jeff's
> >> >>> > message.
> >> >>> >> Hi,
> >> >>> >> When I press start key, p for programs enter on Serato enter on
> >> >>> >> Scratch
> >> >>> > Live
> >> >>> >> it sounds like Jaws is off station. I press insert+F4 to unload
> > and
> >> >>> > restart
> >> >>> >> Jaws again but Jaws still sounds like an untuned radio station.
> > Fuzz
> >> >>> > sound
> >> >>> >> in Jaws only goes away when I reboot.
> >> >>> >> When I installed Scratch Live I went directly to site and
> > downloaded
> >> >> and
> >> >>> >> saved
> >> >>> >> version 1.9 to my desktop. I then went to Serato folder which
> >> >>> >> had
> > a
> >> >>> >> setup.exe, and a driver folder which contained Vista, Vista64,
> >> >>> >> and
> >> >>> >> XP
> >> >>> > were
> >> >>> >> sub folders. I went into XP, 57 sl, MP4, SL1, and SL3 were sub
> >> >> folders.
> >> >>> > I
> >> >>> >> just used the setup.exe and installed using automatic rather
than
> >> >> custom.
> >> >>> >> When I launch Scratch Live, alt key does not bring up menus. I
> >> >>> >> use
> >> >> Jaws
> >> >>> > key
> >> >>> >> and nothing speaks.
> >> >>> >> Do you know if I need to install differently?
> >> >>> >> Any help is appreciated.
> >> >>> >> Ann
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> __________
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> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > __________
> >> >>> > Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository
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> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > View the list's information and change your settings at
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> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>>
> >> >>> __________
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> >> >>>
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> >> >>>
> >> >>
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> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > __________
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> >> >
> >> > View the list's information and change your settings at
> >> > //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> __________
> >> Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository
http://jawsscripts.com
> >>
> >> View the list's information and change your settings at
> >> //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts
> >>
> >
> > __________
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>
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>
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