[jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install

Geoff,
To answer your scripting question about my personal experience, well I took 
the FS beginner and advanced courses at St. Petersburg.  I scripted AVG for 
personal use and in class.  I programmed for a security firm for 20 years 
and I just took a Webinar on scripting Zoom Text.  I am a novice scripter 
but willing to learn new things.  I am thinking seriously of learning C++ 
because I did some work for a company who does accessibility work and one of 
their programmers was able to resolve Jaws problems in a more elloquent way 
using C++, IMO.
I also have a MBA degree in Informations Systems, and a BBA in Accounting. 
I want to learn Jaws fully because that is my access to information, which I 
find frustrating at times.  I am no geek but intend to become one.  Are you 
the moderator of this scripting list.  You seem so technical.  so what is 
your background?  I am presently in New York.
Scratch Live intrigued me because I love music and the software seemed so 
foreign to what I have worked with in past.  FYI I read Snowman MP3 files on 
ACB radio and will read the Victor book as well.
I did not experiment with sound card because if I screw up tere is no one 
around to assist me if I loose speech.  I figured I will copy
JFW.ini file and rename it to JFW.txt in same directory.
I don't know how to write a script or batch file to rename my .txt file to 
.ini using windows without speech     in case I mess up.
I first want to speak to DJ and i will experiment if needed with sighted 
help.  I have other work I need to do today.
Enough of my life story.
Regards,
Ann

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:14 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install


> Hi Ann.
>
> hmmm. ok, thanks for explaining what your seeking to do.
> So may I ask you, hehehehehehe,
> why you have decided to seemingly jump rather into the deep end with all
> this,
> and taken on seemingly such a large task of seeking to script up an entire
> application for someone?
> What other types of apps have you had experience in scripting before this
> one?
> Also, Have yu heard of hotspotClicker, HSC, that this other person
> GianniP46, has indicated he's used to bring some drivable accessibility to
> the scratch live application?
>
> http://www.hotSpotClicker.org
>
> Thanks for posting the file and the change you made.     you've have 
> indeed
> pasted the line in exactly the right place.
> I am not certain of the answer to your question regarding upgrading jaws
> within major build numbers, e.g. 10.0.1139, to 10.0.1151, and whether 
> doing
> that replaces jfw.ini, such that you'd need to make those changes again.
> But, I wouldn't be at all surprised. you'd have to just check the jfw.ini
> after the upgrade and see if those lines have been deleted/file replaced
> during the upgrade or not. I'm not sure.
>
> What happens when you save this version of jfw.ini, and quit and restart
> jaws? presumably you have got a desktop icon from which you can do that,
> right?
> does jaws speech not get now routed to the Sound Max audio device/sound
> card?
> you didn't indicate whether this occurred or not for you?
> You also did not indicate whether you are running xp or vista?
>
>
> The way you become sure that the syntax/spelling  of the added line is
> correct,
> is by going to control pannel, then navigating to
> sounds and audio devices, and hitting enter to go into it.
> then ControlTabbing to the Audio tab of that dialog,
> then temporarily changing the default playback device choice, to the card
> you wish to insure you get the spelling of correctly, such that it's 
> visible
> onscreen.then using control+insert+w, virtualize the whole window, then 
> find
> the line with virtual cursor that contains that sound card 
> syntax/spelling.
> then selecting that line, copying it to clipboard, then dismissing the
> virtual buffer with escape, and then hitting escape to dismiss the dialog
> you've been working in, so as to not except the changes you've just
> temporarily made there.
>
> now, go to the place just to the right of the equals sign of the 
> Synth1Port=
> line, and paste that rendering of the audio device there.
> tip: insure when you do this, that there are no trailing spaces at the end
> of that audio device name on that line, and nothing between it's beginning
> and the =sign. i.e. it should be hard up against that.
> then save with control+s, and quit and restart jaws, and see what happens.
>
>
> From: "Ann Medlar" <amedlar1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 9:48 PM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
>
>
>> Hello Geoff,
>> Reason for my Scratch Live is that I am trying to script software for a
>> local DJ.
>> I am using Windows XP and Jaws10.x.  If I upgrade Jaws then do I need to
>> repeat this process each time FS has a Jaws upgrade?
>> Well I used the find command to get JFW.ini.  I copied file into my
>> documents as backup.
>> How do I know that added statement is correct spelling or syntax?I 
>> changed
>> file as follows:
>> [Options]
>> ; If FirewallCheck is set to 1, JAWS will attempt to check if a firewall
>> ; application is running by prematurely triggering the firewall when
>> ; JAWS starts.  This setting is off by default and is ignored when JAWS
>> ; is set to run at Windows startup.
>> FirewallCheck=0
>> ; If AutoUpdatesEnabled is set to 1, the you can query for JAWS updates
>> ; from the main menu.
>> AutoUpdatesEnabled=1
>> ; Source path of the Automatic Updates Dll.  Multiple paths are delimited
>> ; by a semi-colon.
>>
> UpdateDllSource=ftp://ftp.FreedomScientific.com/users/hj/private/WebFiles/Au
> toUpdate/JAWSUpd
>>
>>
> ate.dll;http://files.freedomscientific.com/WebFiles/AutoUpdate/JAWSUpdate.dl
> l
>>
>> [Synthesizers]
>> Synth1Name=eloq
>> Synth1LongName=Eloquence Software
>> Synth1Driver=eloq
>> ;; added line 5/20/09 Ann Medlar
>> Synth1Port=SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio
>> ; end add  on 5/20/09 A Medlar
>> Synth2Name=SAPI 5X
>> Synth2LongName=SAPI 5
>> Synth2Driver=sapi5x
>> Synth3Name=RealSpeak
>> Synth3LongName=RealSpeak Solo Direct
>> Synth3Driver=RealSpeak
>> [Remote Access]
>> UseVirtualSpeech=1
>> UseVirtualBraille=1
>> No sighted help around so I hesitate to experiment.  I think I'll wait
> until
>> I hear from my friend who btw is far away from me.
>> Ann
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:22 PM
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
>>
>>
>> > ok GianniP46. hang on a second here.
>> > are you saying that this scratch live thing requires another add-on
> piece
>> > of
>> > hardware/equipment to even run/be in the least useful for it's
>> > application?
>> > which contains it's own audio device in that hardware?
>> > Because, if this is the case, did you realize this ann? What exactly is
>> > the
>> > task your wanting to solve here with this program ann? we better find
> out
>> > if
>> > it is really what you want/need, before we go much further in trying to
>> > solve this one, re configuration of jaws into separate sound cards and
> the
>> > complexities of that one,
>> > ought not we?
>> >
>> > Ann. well, ... ok here's the complexity.
>> > jaws10, for the first time,
>> > has finally implemented a sound card/audio device, (they mean the same
>> > thing
>> > by the way,)
>> > manager, right into the utilities submenu  from their main application
>> > context menu, if jaws is running in system tray.
>> > i.e. if it is, and if you have jaws 10, you could try hitting insert+j,
>> > then
>> > down arrowing to utilities, then right arrowing, and looking at the 
>> > list
>> > of
>> > available ports in your available sound cards, and hitting enter on the
>> > one
>> > you'd like.
>> > I say, try, this, because, it's the very first itteration of this
> feature,
>> > and, well all I can tell you from my own personal experience having 
>> > just
>> > tested it here on my system, is, it doesn't work for me!
>> > even closing and restarting jaws, even though it shows a checkmark in
> that
>> > menu when I go back in there, next to the sound card/audio device I 
>> > want
>> > it
>> > to use, it's definitely not being output from that device!
>> >
>> > Now of course I don't know whether this is something in my local system
>> > here, I presume so for surely they couldn't release it if it plain
> didn't
>> > work, but, as I say, my experience today was here it didn't.
>> >
>> > So, there's a more techy "back end," way, of forcing jaws to use the
>> > soundcard you want it to use. and this does work for me under windows
> xp,
>> > it's what I use to make it happen. and it'll obviously also work for
> jaws
>> > versions earlier than 10.
>> >
>> > now when I say this, i add the important following caveats!
>> > 1. this is using windows xp.  if you've got windows vista installed,
> which
>> > you may well have since you mention it as  a new pc, then this might 
>> > not
>> > work either! and you may have to get your kind friend around for you 
>> > who
>> > suggests such gymnastics as she/he has, and ask them to help you out
> with
>> > that.
>> > 2. this is something in my view, that you don't wanna mess with alone,
>> > since
>> > if you mess it up, you might get yourself into a situation of having no
>> > speech output from jaws
>> > at all, if your speech synth is misdirected to some audio device that
>> > doesn't exist or whatever.  So I caution you to have sighted help 
>> > around
>> > before attempting any of this.
>> > The following instructions may thus only be valid for a windows xp
>> > installation.
>> >
>> > the back end way which we've done this for years is:
>> > 1. open my computer, go to program files, then freedom scientific, 
>> > (i.e.
>> > not
>> > freedom scientific installation information,)
>> > then into the folder called jaws, (i.e. not "runTime jaws, just jaws,"
>> > then
>> > into the version of jaws you have installed, i.e. 9.0, 10.0 etc.
>> >
>> > 2. hit alt+v, then l, to insure your list is in an upDown 
>> > configuration,
>> > and
>> > not in multiple columns across the screen.
>> >
>> > 3. hit alt+v, then i, for arrange icons, then see if, "name," 
>> > identifies
> a
>> > check mark next to it. if it does, hit alt key to dismiss the menu and
>> > leave
>> > alone. if not, hit enter on name, such that the list is displayed in
> name
>> > order, and not some other order.
>> >
>> > 4. type the letters, j f, quickly, to jump to the files starting with
>> > those
>> > letters.
>> > now, here's where things can get kinda messy.
>> > hopefully, although windows doesn't ship this way by default, you have
>> > altered the settings such that you will hear the file extensions, i.e.
> the
>> > 3
>> > character part after the period in every file name, which helps denote
> to
>> > windows, what file type each file is.
>> > now there are multiple files in here beginning withi the letters jfw,
> you
>> > want the one called jfw.ini.  now if you don't have extentions enabled,
>> > then
>> > you may be in the unpleasant situation of only being informed that all 
>> > 3
>> > of
>> > the first files in alphabetical order, all speak simply as, jfw.
>> > However, they are not the same. in my list here, the first is jfw.enu,
> the
>> > second is jfw.exe, and the third, is the one you want, jfw.ini.
>> >
>> > 5. hit enter on jfw.ini,  and hopefully it will have notepad as the
>> > default
>> > word processor to handle ini files,
>> > and open it in that program. if it comes up with a box indicating it
>> > doesn't
>> > know how to handle these, then try choosing that you want it to open in
>> > notepad. instructions how to do this beyond the scope of this document.
>> >
>> > 6. if you've got the right file, you should see lines like the
> following:
>> > [Options]
>> > ; If FirewallCheck is set to 1, JAWS will attempt to check if a 
>> > firewall
>> > ; application is running by prematurely triggering the firewall when
>> > ; JAWS starts.  This setting is off by default and is ignored when JAWS
>> > ; is set to run at Windows startup.
>> > FirewallCheck=0
>> >
>> >
>> > note that some lines begin with semi colons in here, they are lines
> which
>> > are comments, and don't get processed by windows as valid compile 
>> > lines,
>> > just like in script manager.
>> > this is handy to know if you wanna have multiple lines, and switch them
> on
>> > or off from being processed by placing semi colons at their far left
> hand
>> > ends.
>> >
>> > also note that sections in here, are denoted by being surrounded with
>> > brackets. like
>> > [options] [
>> >
>> > [Synthesizers]
>> >
>> > etc.
>> >
>> >
>> > 7. scroll down until you find the section called
>> > [Synthesizers]
>> > you should see in here, lines like:
>> > Synth1Name=eloq
>> > Synth1LongName=Eloquence Software
>> > Synth1Driver=eloq
>> >
>> > 8. now, presuming you are just using default settings and eloquence as
>> > your
>> > main synth, and thus utilizing synth1 settings here,
>> > just above the lines starting with synth2, make a blank line by hitting
>> > home
>> > on that line then hitting enter, then up arrowing again such that your
>> > over
>> > the blank line, just below the line
>> > Synth1Driver=eloq.
>> >
>> > 9. now what we need to do here is paste in a line like the following,
> but
>> > with the name of the sound card you want to force jaws to use after the
>> > words,
>> >
>> > Synth1Port=
>> >
>> > but exactly, as displayed in sounds and audio devices in control 
>> > pannel,
>> > in
>> > the, "audio" tab.
>> >
>> > .  given your message of what looks like three sound cards/audio 
>> > devices
>> > your system currently has installed,, if you wanted jaws to use the
> sound
>> > max audio device for example, you might try the following line:
>> >
>> > Synth1Port=SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio
>> >
>> >
>> > now this is assuming, that this is the way this audio device appears in
>> > the
>> > above place on your system, as taken from what you've posted about it.
> but
>> > I
>> > can't guarantee this will be the case of course.
>> >
>> > then hit control+s to save, and, as I say, insuring you have sighted
> help
>> > about, in case this fails totally and you lose speech, quit and restart
>> > jaws. and see if it now comes out the sound max digital audio device.
>> > I hope this helps.
>> >
>> >
>> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:13 AM
>> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
>> >
>> >
>> >> The hardware that you have to use with ScratchLive acts as the sound
> card
>> >> for the music and the regular sound card handles Jaws.
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> From: "Donald Marang" <donald.marang@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:32 AM
>> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >I have not used this program or any other DJ software lately.  I am
> just
>> >> > curious.  If you regularly do this kind of work, wouldn't you want 
>> >> > to
>> > use
>> >> > a
>> >> > second sound card anyway?  I thought most blind DJs typically
> directed
>> >> > JAWS
>> >> > to another sound card and output so it is not heard mixed with the
>> > music.
>> >> > I
>> >> > would think a USB external sound card, and directing JAWS to
> headphones
>> >> > would be the typical solution.  This should certainly eliminate the
> DJ
>> >> > program from distorting JAWS.
>> >> >
>> >> > Sorry if I am not understanding the purpose of this application or
> the
>> >> > situation.
>> >> >
>> >> > Don Marang
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> > From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 1:05 AM
>> >> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> GianniP, what sound card or cards have you got installed on your
>> >> >> puter?
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> Ann, what have you got.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> >> From: "GianniP46" <giannip46@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 2:45 AM
>> >> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> I am using version 1.8.3 on a regular basis with no problems.  I
> have
>> >> >>> started messing around with 1.9 and I cannot confirm the problem
> with
>> >> >> fuzzy
>> >> >>> speech.
>> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> >>> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 8:16 PM
>> >> >>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> > Woopse. sorry Ann, did not see this before I sent my last.
>> >> >>> > Ann I don't know this program at all and will await other's
>> >> >>> > comments
>> >> >>> > who
>> >> >>> > know it. but, when you say below that you, "use the jaws key,",
> do
>> > you
>> >> >>> > mean
>> >> >>> > you examine the screen with the jaws Cursor?  and are you saying
>> >> >>> > you
>> >> >>> > cannot
>> >> >>> > read any text on the screen with that in this scratch live
> software
>> >> >>> > program?
>> >> >>> > as far as the jaws sounding "off station," ... wow,
>> >> >>> > man that does seem very strange.  I wish I could actually hear
> what
>> >> >>> > your
>> >> >>> > talking about here.  we can't have attachments to the list posts
>> >> >>> > can
>> >> >>> > we
>> >> >>> > everet? such that ann could send an audio clip of a "normal," 
>> >> >>> > and
>> >> >>> > "fuzzyness," of eloquence sound?
>> >> >>> > I presume you are using the default eloquence speech synthesizer
>> >> >>> > are
>> >> >>> > you
>> >> >>> > Ann? for remember that jaws is just the screenReader and can be
>> >> >>> > made
>> >> >>> > to
>> >> >>> > pipe
>> >> >>> > it's output through a number of differing synthesizers.  Though
> to
>> > me
>> >> >>> > eloquence is still the best quality for the negligible
> performance
>> >> >> usage
>> >> >>> > it
>> >> >>> > seems to require.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > now I will tell you, that over the years, I have found something
>> > quite
>> >> >> odd
>> >> >>> > with eloquence and top end clarity on differing computer 
>> >> >>> > systems.
>> >> >>> > Glen
>> >> >>> > from
>> >> >>> > FS even called me up about it one day after a post I made to 
>> >> >>> > some
>> > list
>> >> >>> > about
>> >> >>> > it, and we talked about it for quite a while, seeking to get to
> the
>> >> >> bottom
>> >> >>> > of what might be going on.
>> >> >>> > Being an audio man/musician  myself, my claim was, that on my 98
>> >> >> machine,
>> >> >>> > fitted with an old creative labs sound blaster live platinum
> sound
>> >> >>> > card
>> >> >> I
>> >> >>> > think it is,
>> >> >>> > eloquence had a certain beautiful top end clarity, that it 
>> >> >>> > simply
>> > did
>> >> >>> > absolutely not have, on my xp machine, under a sound max digital
>> > audio
>> >> >>> > sound
>> >> >>> > card.
>> >> >>> > And the other caveat was, that when window eyes was run on the 
>> >> >>> > xp
>> > box,
>> >> >>> > through it's own rendering of the eloquence synthesizer, all the
>> > same
>> >> >> nice
>> >> >>> > top end was present, which as I say, absolutely wasn't present,
>> >> >>> > when
>> >> >>> > running
>> >> >>> > jaws through it's eloquence output implementation.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > What I think we established, might, have been going on in the
> end,
>> > was
>> >> >>> > that
>> >> >>> > the issue had something to do with the way the sound max 
>> >> >>> > drivers,
>> >> >> handled
>> >> >>> > the default 11khz sampling rate output, that the jaws rendering
> of
>> > the
>> >> >>> > eloquence speech synthesizer, was presenting to it.
>> >> >>> > Glen concluded that he thought that my sound blaster sound card,
>> >> >>> > was
>> >> >>> > actually up sampling the eloquence output, to 22.5.khz, actually
>> >> >> seemingly
>> >> >>> > to allow for an increase, in the top end frequencies produced,
> but
>> > did
>> >> >> so
>> >> >>> > using such a nice algorithm, that it also filtered out all the
>> >> >>> > undesirable,
>> >> >>> > fuzzy sounding, digital artifacts, called aliusing, that
> naturally
>> >> >>> > tends
>> >> >>> > to
>> >> >>> > occur when this is done unless it's been very carefully filtered
> to
>> >> >> remove
>> >> >>> > those.
>> >> >>> > whereas my sound max digital audio sound card, was leaving the
>> >> >>> > eloquence
>> >> >>> > alone at the 11.025 khz sampling rate, and just allowing it to 
>> >> >>> > be
>> >> >>> > output
>> >> >>> > at
>> >> >>> > that, without mmesing with it at all. hense the duller top end
> when
>> >> >>> > compared
>> >> >>> > to that produced by both window eyes rendering of eloquence,
> which
>> >> >>> > I
>> >> >> think
>> >> >>> > we determined might also have been up sampling the output to
> 22khz,
>> >> >>> > and
>> >> >>> > jaws
>> >> >>> > through eloquence on the sound blaster box.
>> >> >>> > Now I'm afraid I don't really have time over the next couple
> weeks,
>> > to
>> >> >> do
>> >> >>> > any more decent research about this,, would you say that the,
>> >> >> "fuzzyness,"
>> >> >>> > and, "off-station," sound  of jaws/eloquence your seeking to
>> > describe,
>> >> >> is
>> >> >>> > a
>> >> >>> > drop in clarity/top end frequencies? or would you say it sounds
>> >> >>> > more
>> >> >> like
>> >> >>> > it's got added top end, but with kinda fuzzy ugly digital
> artifacts
>> >> >> thrown
>> >> >>> > in on top.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > I'll nearly bet it's the latter, and if so, I'd hazard a guess
> that
>> >> >>> > the
>> >> >>> > scratch live software may've put a driver in the chain, which is
>> >> >>> > forcing
>> >> >>> > everything that comes out of that sound card, to be up sampled 
>> >> >>> > to
>> >> >> 22.khz,
>> >> >>> > not expecting that anyone these days is going to have sounds on
>> > their
>> >> >>> > puters
>> >> >>> > of such a low grade 11khz sampling rate, but doing so without
>> > seeking
>> >> >>> > to
>> >> >>> > properly filter the aliusing from the sound? ... maybe! it's 
>> >> >>> > just
> a
>> >> >> guess.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> >>> > From: "Ann Medlar" <amedlar1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >>> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >>> > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 7:45 AM
>> >> >>> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Scratch Live Install
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >> Don't know why original message did not show up when I replied
> to
>> >> >> Jeff's
>> >> >>> > message.
>> >> >>> >>     Hi,
>> >> >>> >> When I press start key, p for programs enter on Serato enter on
>> >> >>> >> Scratch
>> >> >>> > Live
>> >> >>> >> it sounds like Jaws is off station.  I press insert+F4 to 
>> >> >>> >> unload
>> > and
>> >> >>> > restart
>> >> >>> >> Jaws again but Jaws still sounds like an untuned radio station.
>> > Fuzz
>> >> >>> > sound
>> >> >>> >> in Jaws only goes away when I reboot.
>> >> >>> >> When I installed Scratch Live I went directly to site and
>> > downloaded
>> >> >> and
>> >> >>> >> saved
>> >> >>> >> version 1.9 to my desktop.   I then went to Serato folder which
>> >> >>> >> had
>> > a
>> >> >>> >> setup.exe, and a driver folder  which contained Vista, Vista64,
>> >> >>> >> and
>> >> >>> >> XP
>> >> >>> > were
>> >> >>> >> sub folders.  I went into XP, 57 sl, MP4, SL1, and SL3 were sub
>> >> >> folders.
>> >> >>> > I
>> >> >>> >> just used the setup.exe and installed using automatic rather
> than
>> >> >> custom.
>> >> >>> >> When I launch Scratch Live, alt key does not bring up menus.  I
>> >> >>> >> use
>> >> >> Jaws
>> >> >>> > key
>> >> >>> >> and nothing speaks.
>> >> >>> >> Do you know if I need to install differently?
>> >> >>> >> Any help is appreciated.
>> >> >>> >> Ann
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> __________
>> >> >>> >> Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository
>> >> >> http://jawsscripts.com
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> View the list's information and change your settings at
>> >> >>> >> http://www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > __________
>> >> >>> > Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository
>> >> >> http://jawsscripts.com
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > View the list's information and change your settings at
>> >> >>> > http://www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> __________
>> >> >>> Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository
>> >> >>> http://jawsscripts.com
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> View the list's information and change your settings at
>> >> >>> http://www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> __________
>> >> >> Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository
>> > http://jawsscripts.com
>> >> >>
>> >> >> View the list's information and change your settings at
>> >> >> http://www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > __________
>> >> > Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository
>> > http://jawsscripts.com
>> >> >
>> >> > View the list's information and change your settings at
>> >> > http://www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> __________
>> >> Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository
> http://jawsscripts.com
>> >>
>> >> View the list's information and change your settings at
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>> > View the list's information and change your settings at
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>>
>> View the list's information and change your settings at
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>
> __________
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>
> View the list's information and change your settings at
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