[jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
- From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 15:05:56 +1000
GianniP, what sound card or cards have you got installed on your puter? and
Ann, what have you got.
----- Original Message -----
From: "GianniP46" <giannip46@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 2:45 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
> I am using version 1.8.3 on a regular basis with no problems. I have
> started messing around with 1.9 and I cannot confirm the problem with
fuzzy
> speech.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 8:16 PM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
>
>
> > Woopse. sorry Ann, did not see this before I sent my last.
> > Ann I don't know this program at all and will await other's comments who
> > know it. but, when you say below that you, "use the jaws key,", do you
> > mean
> > you examine the screen with the jaws Cursor? and are you saying you
> > cannot
> > read any text on the screen with that in this scratch live software
> > program?
> > as far as the jaws sounding "off station," ... wow,
> > man that does seem very strange. I wish I could actually hear what your
> > talking about here. we can't have attachments to the list posts can we
> > everet? such that ann could send an audio clip of a "normal," and
> > "fuzzyness," of eloquence sound?
> > I presume you are using the default eloquence speech synthesizer are you
> > Ann? for remember that jaws is just the screenReader and can be made to
> > pipe
> > it's output through a number of differing synthesizers. Though to me
> > eloquence is still the best quality for the negligible performance
usage
> > it
> > seems to require.
> >
> > now I will tell you, that over the years, I have found something quite
odd
> > with eloquence and top end clarity on differing computer systems. Glen
> > from
> > FS even called me up about it one day after a post I made to some list
> > about
> > it, and we talked about it for quite a while, seeking to get to the
bottom
> > of what might be going on.
> > Being an audio man/musician myself, my claim was, that on my 98
machine,
> > fitted with an old creative labs sound blaster live platinum sound card
I
> > think it is,
> > eloquence had a certain beautiful top end clarity, that it simply did
> > absolutely not have, on my xp machine, under a sound max digital audio
> > sound
> > card.
> > And the other caveat was, that when window eyes was run on the xp box,
> > through it's own rendering of the eloquence synthesizer, all the same
nice
> > top end was present, which as I say, absolutely wasn't present, when
> > running
> > jaws through it's eloquence output implementation.
> >
> > What I think we established, might, have been going on in the end, was
> > that
> > the issue had something to do with the way the sound max drivers,
handled
> > the default 11khz sampling rate output, that the jaws rendering of the
> > eloquence speech synthesizer, was presenting to it.
> > Glen concluded that he thought that my sound blaster sound card, was
> > actually up sampling the eloquence output, to 22.5.khz, actually
seemingly
> > to allow for an increase, in the top end frequencies produced, but did
so
> > using such a nice algorithm, that it also filtered out all the
> > undesirable,
> > fuzzy sounding, digital artifacts, called aliusing, that naturally tends
> > to
> > occur when this is done unless it's been very carefully filtered to
remove
> > those.
> > whereas my sound max digital audio sound card, was leaving the eloquence
> > alone at the 11.025 khz sampling rate, and just allowing it to be output
> > at
> > that, without mmesing with it at all. hense the duller top end when
> > compared
> > to that produced by both window eyes rendering of eloquence, which I
think
> > we determined might also have been up sampling the output to 22khz, and
> > jaws
> > through eloquence on the sound blaster box.
> > Now I'm afraid I don't really have time over the next couple weeks, to
do
> > any more decent research about this,, would you say that the,
"fuzzyness,"
> > and, "off-station," sound of jaws/eloquence your seeking to describe,
is
> > a
> > drop in clarity/top end frequencies? or would you say it sounds more
like
> > it's got added top end, but with kinda fuzzy ugly digital artifacts
thrown
> > in on top.
> >
> > I'll nearly bet it's the latter, and if so, I'd hazard a guess that the
> > scratch live software may've put a driver in the chain, which is forcing
> > everything that comes out of that sound card, to be up sampled to
22.khz,
> > not expecting that anyone these days is going to have sounds on their
> > puters
> > of such a low grade 11khz sampling rate, but doing so without seeking to
> > properly filter the aliusing from the sound? ... maybe! it's just a
guess.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ann Medlar" <amedlar1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 7:45 AM
> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Scratch Live Install
> >
> >
> >> Don't know why original message did not show up when I replied to
Jeff's
> > message.
> >> Hi,
> >> When I press start key, p for programs enter on Serato enter on Scratch
> > Live
> >> it sounds like Jaws is off station. I press insert+F4 to unload and
> > restart
> >> Jaws again but Jaws still sounds like an untuned radio station. Fuzz
> > sound
> >> in Jaws only goes away when I reboot.
> >> When I installed Scratch Live I went directly to site and downloaded
and
> >> saved
> >> version 1.9 to my desktop. I then went to Serato folder which had a
> >> setup.exe, and a driver folder which contained Vista, Vista64, and XP
> > were
> >> sub folders. I went into XP, 57 sl, MP4, SL1, and SL3 were sub
folders.
> > I
> >> just used the setup.exe and installed using automatic rather than
custom.
> >> When I launch Scratch Live, alt key does not bring up menus. I use
Jaws
> > key
> >> and nothing speaks.
> >> Do you know if I need to install differently?
> >> Any help is appreciated.
> >> Ann
> >>
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