[jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
- From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 10:22:22 +1000
ok GianniP46. hang on a second here.
are you saying that this scratch live thing requires another add-on piece of
hardware/equipment to even run/be in the least useful for it's application?
which contains it's own audio device in that hardware?
Because, if this is the case, did you realize this ann? What exactly is the
task your wanting to solve here with this program ann? we better find out if
it is really what you want/need, before we go much further in trying to
solve this one, re configuration of jaws into separate sound cards and the
complexities of that one,
ought not we?
Ann. well, ... ok here's the complexity.
jaws10, for the first time,
has finally implemented a sound card/audio device, (they mean the same thing
by the way,)
manager, right into the utilities submenu from their main application
context menu, if jaws is running in system tray.
i.e. if it is, and if you have jaws 10, you could try hitting insert+j, then
down arrowing to utilities, then right arrowing, and looking at the list of
available ports in your available sound cards, and hitting enter on the one
you'd like.
I say, try, this, because, it's the very first itteration of this feature,
and, well all I can tell you from my own personal experience having just
tested it here on my system, is, it doesn't work for me!
even closing and restarting jaws, even though it shows a checkmark in that
menu when I go back in there, next to the sound card/audio device I want it
to use, it's definitely not being output from that device!
Now of course I don't know whether this is something in my local system
here, I presume so for surely they couldn't release it if it plain didn't
work, but, as I say, my experience today was here it didn't.
So, there's a more techy "back end," way, of forcing jaws to use the
soundcard you want it to use. and this does work for me under windows xp,
it's what I use to make it happen. and it'll obviously also work for jaws
versions earlier than 10.
now when I say this, i add the important following caveats!
1. this is using windows xp. if you've got windows vista installed, which
you may well have since you mention it as a new pc, then this might not
work either! and you may have to get your kind friend around for you who
suggests such gymnastics as she/he has, and ask them to help you out with
that.
2. this is something in my view, that you don't wanna mess with alone, since
if you mess it up, you might get yourself into a situation of having no
speech output from jaws
at all, if your speech synth is misdirected to some audio device that
doesn't exist or whatever. So I caution you to have sighted help around
before attempting any of this.
The following instructions may thus only be valid for a windows xp
installation.
the back end way which we've done this for years is:
1. open my computer, go to program files, then freedom scientific, (i.e. not
freedom scientific installation information,)
then into the folder called jaws, (i.e. not "runTime jaws, just jaws," then
into the version of jaws you have installed, i.e. 9.0, 10.0 etc.
2. hit alt+v, then l, to insure your list is in an upDown configuration, and
not in multiple columns across the screen.
3. hit alt+v, then i, for arrange icons, then see if, "name," identifies a
check mark next to it. if it does, hit alt key to dismiss the menu and leave
alone. if not, hit enter on name, such that the list is displayed in name
order, and not some other order.
4. type the letters, j f, quickly, to jump to the files starting with those
letters.
now, here's where things can get kinda messy.
hopefully, although windows doesn't ship this way by default, you have
altered the settings such that you will hear the file extensions, i.e. the 3
character part after the period in every file name, which helps denote to
windows, what file type each file is.
now there are multiple files in here beginning withi the letters jfw, you
want the one called jfw.ini. now if you don't have extentions enabled, then
you may be in the unpleasant situation of only being informed that all 3 of
the first files in alphabetical order, all speak simply as, jfw.
However, they are not the same. in my list here, the first is jfw.enu, the
second is jfw.exe, and the third, is the one you want, jfw.ini.
5. hit enter on jfw.ini, and hopefully it will have notepad as the default
word processor to handle ini files,
and open it in that program. if it comes up with a box indicating it doesn't
know how to handle these, then try choosing that you want it to open in
notepad. instructions how to do this beyond the scope of this document.
6. if you've got the right file, you should see lines like the following:
[Options]
; If FirewallCheck is set to 1, JAWS will attempt to check if a firewall
; application is running by prematurely triggering the firewall when
; JAWS starts. This setting is off by default and is ignored when JAWS
; is set to run at Windows startup.
FirewallCheck=0
note that some lines begin with semi colons in here, they are lines which
are comments, and don't get processed by windows as valid compile lines,
just like in script manager.
this is handy to know if you wanna have multiple lines, and switch them on
or off from being processed by placing semi colons at their far left hand
ends.
also note that sections in here, are denoted by being surrounded with
brackets. like
[options] [
[Synthesizers]
etc.
7. scroll down until you find the section called
[Synthesizers]
you should see in here, lines like:
Synth1Name=eloq
Synth1LongName=Eloquence Software
Synth1Driver=eloq
8. now, presuming you are just using default settings and eloquence as your
main synth, and thus utilizing synth1 settings here,
just above the lines starting with synth2, make a blank line by hitting home
on that line then hitting enter, then up arrowing again such that your over
the blank line, just below the line
Synth1Driver=eloq.
9. now what we need to do here is paste in a line like the following, but
with the name of the sound card you want to force jaws to use after the
words,
Synth1Port=
but exactly, as displayed in sounds and audio devices in control pannel, in
the, "audio" tab.
. given your message of what looks like three sound cards/audio devices
your system currently has installed,, if you wanted jaws to use the sound
max audio device for example, you might try the following line:
Synth1Port=SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio
now this is assuming, that this is the way this audio device appears in the
above place on your system, as taken from what you've posted about it. but I
can't guarantee this will be the case of course.
then hit control+s to save, and, as I say, insuring you have sighted help
about, in case this fails totally and you lose speech, quit and restart
jaws. and see if it now comes out the sound max digital audio device.
I hope this helps.
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:13 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
> The hardware that you have to use with ScratchLive acts as the sound card
> for the music and the regular sound card handles Jaws.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donald Marang" <donald.marang@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:32 AM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
>
>
> >I have not used this program or any other DJ software lately. I am just
> > curious. If you regularly do this kind of work, wouldn't you want to
use
> > a
> > second sound card anyway? I thought most blind DJs typically directed
> > JAWS
> > to another sound card and output so it is not heard mixed with the
music.
> > I
> > would think a USB external sound card, and directing JAWS to headphones
> > would be the typical solution. This should certainly eliminate the DJ
> > program from distorting JAWS.
> >
> > Sorry if I am not understanding the purpose of this application or the
> > situation.
> >
> > Don Marang
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 1:05 AM
> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
> >
> >
> >> GianniP, what sound card or cards have you got installed on your puter?
> >> and
> >> Ann, what have you got.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "GianniP46" <giannip46@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 2:45 AM
> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
> >>
> >>
> >>> I am using version 1.8.3 on a regular basis with no problems. I have
> >>> started messing around with 1.9 and I cannot confirm the problem with
> >> fuzzy
> >>> speech.
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 8:16 PM
> >>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Scratch Live Install
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > Woopse. sorry Ann, did not see this before I sent my last.
> >>> > Ann I don't know this program at all and will await other's comments
> >>> > who
> >>> > know it. but, when you say below that you, "use the jaws key,", do
you
> >>> > mean
> >>> > you examine the screen with the jaws Cursor? and are you saying you
> >>> > cannot
> >>> > read any text on the screen with that in this scratch live software
> >>> > program?
> >>> > as far as the jaws sounding "off station," ... wow,
> >>> > man that does seem very strange. I wish I could actually hear what
> >>> > your
> >>> > talking about here. we can't have attachments to the list posts can
> >>> > we
> >>> > everet? such that ann could send an audio clip of a "normal," and
> >>> > "fuzzyness," of eloquence sound?
> >>> > I presume you are using the default eloquence speech synthesizer are
> >>> > you
> >>> > Ann? for remember that jaws is just the screenReader and can be made
> >>> > to
> >>> > pipe
> >>> > it's output through a number of differing synthesizers. Though to
me
> >>> > eloquence is still the best quality for the negligible performance
> >> usage
> >>> > it
> >>> > seems to require.
> >>> >
> >>> > now I will tell you, that over the years, I have found something
quite
> >> odd
> >>> > with eloquence and top end clarity on differing computer systems.
> >>> > Glen
> >>> > from
> >>> > FS even called me up about it one day after a post I made to some
list
> >>> > about
> >>> > it, and we talked about it for quite a while, seeking to get to the
> >> bottom
> >>> > of what might be going on.
> >>> > Being an audio man/musician myself, my claim was, that on my 98
> >> machine,
> >>> > fitted with an old creative labs sound blaster live platinum sound
> >>> > card
> >> I
> >>> > think it is,
> >>> > eloquence had a certain beautiful top end clarity, that it simply
did
> >>> > absolutely not have, on my xp machine, under a sound max digital
audio
> >>> > sound
> >>> > card.
> >>> > And the other caveat was, that when window eyes was run on the xp
box,
> >>> > through it's own rendering of the eloquence synthesizer, all the
same
> >> nice
> >>> > top end was present, which as I say, absolutely wasn't present, when
> >>> > running
> >>> > jaws through it's eloquence output implementation.
> >>> >
> >>> > What I think we established, might, have been going on in the end,
was
> >>> > that
> >>> > the issue had something to do with the way the sound max drivers,
> >> handled
> >>> > the default 11khz sampling rate output, that the jaws rendering of
the
> >>> > eloquence speech synthesizer, was presenting to it.
> >>> > Glen concluded that he thought that my sound blaster sound card, was
> >>> > actually up sampling the eloquence output, to 22.5.khz, actually
> >> seemingly
> >>> > to allow for an increase, in the top end frequencies produced, but
did
> >> so
> >>> > using such a nice algorithm, that it also filtered out all the
> >>> > undesirable,
> >>> > fuzzy sounding, digital artifacts, called aliusing, that naturally
> >>> > tends
> >>> > to
> >>> > occur when this is done unless it's been very carefully filtered to
> >> remove
> >>> > those.
> >>> > whereas my sound max digital audio sound card, was leaving the
> >>> > eloquence
> >>> > alone at the 11.025 khz sampling rate, and just allowing it to be
> >>> > output
> >>> > at
> >>> > that, without mmesing with it at all. hense the duller top end when
> >>> > compared
> >>> > to that produced by both window eyes rendering of eloquence, which I
> >> think
> >>> > we determined might also have been up sampling the output to 22khz,
> >>> > and
> >>> > jaws
> >>> > through eloquence on the sound blaster box.
> >>> > Now I'm afraid I don't really have time over the next couple weeks,
to
> >> do
> >>> > any more decent research about this,, would you say that the,
> >> "fuzzyness,"
> >>> > and, "off-station," sound of jaws/eloquence your seeking to
describe,
> >> is
> >>> > a
> >>> > drop in clarity/top end frequencies? or would you say it sounds more
> >> like
> >>> > it's got added top end, but with kinda fuzzy ugly digital artifacts
> >> thrown
> >>> > in on top.
> >>> >
> >>> > I'll nearly bet it's the latter, and if so, I'd hazard a guess that
> >>> > the
> >>> > scratch live software may've put a driver in the chain, which is
> >>> > forcing
> >>> > everything that comes out of that sound card, to be up sampled to
> >> 22.khz,
> >>> > not expecting that anyone these days is going to have sounds on
their
> >>> > puters
> >>> > of such a low grade 11khz sampling rate, but doing so without
seeking
> >>> > to
> >>> > properly filter the aliusing from the sound? ... maybe! it's just a
> >> guess.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>> > From: "Ann Medlar" <amedlar1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 7:45 AM
> >>> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Scratch Live Install
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >> Don't know why original message did not show up when I replied to
> >> Jeff's
> >>> > message.
> >>> >> Hi,
> >>> >> When I press start key, p for programs enter on Serato enter on
> >>> >> Scratch
> >>> > Live
> >>> >> it sounds like Jaws is off station. I press insert+F4 to unload
and
> >>> > restart
> >>> >> Jaws again but Jaws still sounds like an untuned radio station.
Fuzz
> >>> > sound
> >>> >> in Jaws only goes away when I reboot.
> >>> >> When I installed Scratch Live I went directly to site and
downloaded
> >> and
> >>> >> saved
> >>> >> version 1.9 to my desktop. I then went to Serato folder which had
a
> >>> >> setup.exe, and a driver folder which contained Vista, Vista64, and
> >>> >> XP
> >>> > were
> >>> >> sub folders. I went into XP, 57 sl, MP4, SL1, and SL3 were sub
> >> folders.
> >>> > I
> >>> >> just used the setup.exe and installed using automatic rather than
> >> custom.
> >>> >> When I launch Scratch Live, alt key does not bring up menus. I use
> >> Jaws
> >>> > key
> >>> >> and nothing speaks.
> >>> >> Do you know if I need to install differently?
> >>> >> Any help is appreciated.
> >>> >> Ann
> >>> >>
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