Hey Hugh,
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.. I have a couple responses.
Why do you think venting will be stiffled on the CDNUSERS.ORG forums ?
I know that the perception is if it is hosted by Cadence they will screen
all posts prior to posting and decided whether or not it gets thru.. That
is not the case.
Yes, Freelists.org PCB Forum is not broken but seeing CDNUSERS.ORG will
be getting a lot of the CDNLive! Conference attendee traffic there is a
good
chance it will grow its users base much greater than the PCB Forum. Of
course
as I stated previously. having the community go to one place to find
information
is a good thing and yes if improvements need to be made I believe Cadence
will do whatever they can to correct them.
At this point there is no plans to restricting the site to only users with
a support
contract.. Cadence has stated many time in press releases / press
conferences
that this site will be open to the user community at large.
Mike
"Hugh Allen" <hugh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>@freelists.org on 03/07/2006 09:34:45 PM
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Hi Richard and Mike:
I am really a bit concerned about this.
1. This forum pumps through more information in a typical week just on
PCB
than the community does on all its "Forums".
Today a few people had some thing to say and said it, some in just a
few seconds out of their busy day.
Venting in very important service that the (pcb_form) provides.
Unfortunately this will be stiffled on the website.
2. If it ain't broken, don't fix it.
3. I have participated in the proposed forum. It took 1/2 hour to reply
to a request for help when 5 minutes on email would have been easy.
a) You do not surf on this website -- you drown in it. I have a slow
line. Most websites work just fine for me with my slow line, but all
Cadence websites are so slow and carry so many levels that I spent an
hour
just looking a a few items. I usually am homebased going into the office
for meetings etc.
I complained formally to Cadence about this but nothing came of it.
b) Email works well for everyone --- no fancy flashing pictures --
it
feels much more casual and informal (this I think is very important).
I will take a minute or two to reply to an email but often am too busy to
tangle with the website.
A minute or two and I do not forget what I was doing myself.
c) If you lose the link part way though your reply forget it. On email
it not a problem. You can even save if you are part way through, and get a
phone call or something, and finish your reply a couple of hours later if
no
one else has replied.
4. It is now Policy that you don't need to have a support contract to
participate. We have all seen how fast Policy can change, the ICU was
supported then not.
What will the next CEO have to say. One thing about the pcb_form is
that
it is independent of such policy changes.
I would say than replying by email is an absolute must have, if this
thing
is going to work.
On resistance to change:
Say you were living in a suburban town house.
You go home one evening a say "Honey we are moving" and she gets all
excited and says where?
1. You get the family in your car and drive to a cabin deep in the bush
with outdoor facilities, one room, a pump on the sink, and a bucket
underneath and the best hunting and scenery one could imagine.
( YOU HAVE GOT RESISTANCE TO CHANGE BIG TIME )
2. You get the family in your car and drive to an estate in the country,
with 3 car garage, swimming pool, 4 bath rooms, sauna, marble floor
entrance, a heat pump that cools in the summer and heats in the winter,
---
get the picture.
(You have NO resistance to change "what so ever")
Have Fun.
Hugh Allen
Specctra Specialist
CopperCad Design Inc.
www.coppercad.com
hugh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Hello all
While there are a lot of genuine concerns about this change, I believe
there are also genuine efforts for trying to consolidate the groups.
Now that Mike and others have had a chance to explain their viewpoint, I
think they should get credit for listening and replying.
With wanted changes that people have voiced (eg , the post / reply issue
via email ) I'm sure the CDNUsers team will do their best to accommodate
everybody. I myself will possibly have a few more suggestions on the look
and usability.
Sometimes, resistance to change is human nature, as we all know. To
quote
Grandpa Simpson, "My car gets forty rods to the hogshead, and that's the
way I likes it!". However, now that everyone's had a say, let's see what
happens from here on, and get back to the core business.
Cheers,
Richard
PS - I'm not calling anyone here a Grandpa Simpson - I just really like
that quote!
>>> Michael.Catrambone@xxxxxxxxxx 8/03/2006 1:51:47 p.m. >>>
Austin,
The entire CDNUSERS.ORG User Community site is to bring
users of Cadence tools closer together. Yes, the PCB Forum
does exactly that but there is a large population of the community
we are not reaching. This community site is the place where
the entire Cadence community is going to go which would
act as a virtual extension of the CDNLive! Conferences worldwide.
It only makes sense to host the forums on the same site and
the utilize the infrastructure is already in place.
If I would give you a summarized answer to your question
it would be:
The cdnusers.org forums is an attempt to increase the
user-to-user interaction in a forum environment at a worldwide
level.
Is this a problem. I guess you can say Yes and No, but I am
sure there is a lot of untapped talent out in the user community
that can contribute to the forum and also benefit for the talent
we have on the PCB Forum so we are just looking to bring it
all together in one community forum.
There is a user base that have already signed up on
cdnusers.org and there has been activity on the hosted
user forums so why would we not want to join the community ?
You don't need to be on Cadence maintenance to join and
we will have access to a greater level of Cadence folks then
we every would have on the Freelist.org PCB forum.
For what I have heard today most of the issues are surrounding
the post / reply issue via email and if we correct that then the
other issues could be worked out. A lot of emails to read thru
so I may be wrong but that is what I go out of the conversations.
Mike
"austin@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <austin@xxxxxxxxxxxx>@freelists.org on 03/07/2006
05:42:53 PM
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Hi Mike,
What problem is this new cdn forum solving?
Regards,
Austin
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Hi Richard and Mike:
I am really a bit concerned about
this.
1. This forum pumps through more
information in a typical week just on PCB than the community does on all
its "Forums".
Today a few people
had some thing to say and said it, some in just a few seconds out of their busy
day.
Venting in very
important service that the (pcb_form) provides. Unfortunately this
will be stiffled on the website.
2. If it ain't broken, don't fix
it.
3. I have participated in the proposed
forum. It took 1/2 hour to reply to a request for help
when 5 minutes on email would have been easy.
a) You do not surf
on this website -- you drown in it. I have a slow line. Most
websites work just fine for me with my slow line, but all Cadence websites are
so slow and carry so many levels that I spent an hour just looking a
a few items. I usually am homebased going into the office for meetings
etc.
I complained formally to Cadence about
this but nothing came of it.
b) Email works well for
everyone --- no fancy flashing pictures -- it feels much more
casual and informal (this I think is very important).
I will take a minute or two to reply
to an email but often am too busy to tangle with the website.
A minute or two and
I do not forget what I was doing myself.
c) If you lose the link
part way though your reply forget it. On email it not a problem. You can
even save if you are part way through, and get a phone call or something, and
finish your reply a couple of hours later if no one else has replied.
4. It is now Policy that you don't need to have a support
contract to participate. We have all seen how fast Policy can change, the
ICU was supported then not.
What will the next CEO
have to say. One thing about the pcb_form is that it is independent of such
policy changes.
I would say than replying by
email is an absolute must have, if this thing is going to work.
On resistance to change:
Say you were living in a
suburban town house.
You go home one evening a say
"Honey we are moving" and she gets all excited and says
where?
1. You get the family in your car and
drive to a cabin deep in the bush with outdoor facilities, one room, a
pump on the sink, and a bucket underneath and the best hunting and
scenery one could imagine.
( YOU HAVE GOT RESISTANCE TO CHANGE BIG TIME )
2. You get the family in your car and
drive to an estate in the country, with 3 car garage, swimming pool, 4 bath
rooms, sauna, marble floor entrance, a heat pump that cools in the summer
and heats in the winter, --- get the picture.
(You have NO resistance to change "what so ever")
Have Fun.
Hugh Allen
Specctra Specialist
CopperCad Design Inc.
www.coppercad.com
hugh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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