[geocentrism] Re: disturbing deceit!
- From: Regner Trampedach <art@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:05:38 +1100
That was confusing. Where did Paul Deema figure into this?
I apologize for my tirade about "infidel scientists", but stand
by the rest with the clarifications below.
You should also include experimentalists and observational astronomers, with
the engineers, as people who confront theory and real world.
Anyway my point about the age of the Universe and the Solar system, was
that the ages "according to HC" are far below what you quoted the NGO show to
claim. I am not claiming I can prove that - see below.
A theory can never be proved - that is the state of the world.
It can be disproved though, and if a theory has been attacked (friendly)
from all angles for a hundred years, and still not disproven, then there
is reason for confidence - the theory is very solid.
The daily use of the word 'theory' is something much more whimsical,
which does not fit the rigorous 'theory' of science. Hence 'theory' is
often left out so as not to confuse it with 'merely a theory' - something
anybody could have cooked up. I don't find that a deceitful practice, but
you are obviously of another opinion.
Regards,
Regner
Quoting philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> It is not clear to me, who wrote what here, and I don't seem to
> be able to find the original post, by Paul Deema, so I reply to
> this one. Regner.
>
> Dear Regner,
>
> I started it, and I did not accuse anyone of deceit, except those of science
> who teach as FACT what is only a theory, without saying so. That is deceit.
> And this thread had nothing to do with your person, or the project you are
> involved with here.
>
> I am, along with Faraday and many others, among those who engineer the
> artifacts of science which you use and admire. It is not the theoretical
> scientist who theorises, but the engineers like myself who look at the
> theories and apply them to a purpose, not prove them as a fact. And even
> then, that only proves the application not the theory.
>
> I was basically trained on three manuals.. Electrical Theory. Applied
> Electricity. and Electrical Work. The first was always changeable, and never
> accepted as fact. Electricity flowed from positive. Then it changed from
> negative to positive. Today they are not sure anything flows.
>
> But that does not change the fact that an engineered electrical motor works.
> whilst the theorist still has no certainty.
>
> Theory is never proven by application. It is only supported.
>
> Till now I had given you every respect for integrity and honesty in science.
> Till now I had no reason to do otherwise. I will only quote one item out of
> your tirade below which seems to indicate the truth of my original claim of
> dishonesty in science from the engineers perspective. That is that even you
> here insist on calling a theoretical opinion as a factual truth. You claimed,
>
>
> "The Universe isn't more than about 14 billion years old, and
> the Solar system is about 4.6 billion years old."
>
> WHO SAYS SO? You cannot prove such an outlandish claim.
>
> You continued,
>
> "That's of course according to this conspiracy of infidel scientists who
> also brought you the the computer and the internet and weather
> forecasts and satellite television and international phonecalls
> and, ...
>
> WHO SAYS SO. I do not. Engineers sorted and sifted the real useful
> applications..and made the artifacts, not the scientists.
>
> Are you saying Marconi or Tesla or Edison or Faraday needed such information
> as "the world is 6 billion years old," as a base for their engineered
> practical innovations in radio and science.
>
> But you are guilty here of the charge I made about the NGO TV series. That
> is of calling something that is no more than an opinion, not even a valid
> theory...a factual truth. Even if it was a valid theory, it is still deceit
> to teach it to children as though it were factual. Especially is it morally
> wrong to tell them they definitely descended from apes.
>
> Philip Madsen..
>
> but I forgive you if you wrote all this in your happy hour.. Whats your
> favourite beer. Mines fourex.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Regner Trampedach
> To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:44 PM
> Subject: [geocentrism] Re: disturbing deceit!
>
>
> It is not clear to me, who wrote what here, and I don't seem to
> be able to find the original post, by Paul Deema, so I reply to
> this one.
> * The Universe isn't more than about 14 billion years old, and
> the Solar system is about 4.6 billion years old. That's of
> course according to this conspiracy of infidel scientists who
> also brought you the the computer and the internet and weather
> forecasts and satellite television and international phonecalls
> and, ...
> * Just because you haven't yet figured out how to do something,
> doesn't mean somebody else hasn't.
> * Just because we can't tell how something started, doesn't mean
> that everything we have found out about what happened after that
> start, is based on lies and fabrications.
> * Calling people dishonest and deceptive (liars), just because you
> can't figure out how they did something, is very bad form,and
> highly indicative of a closed mind (not that your mind should be
> so open that the brains fall out, either - a good middelground...).
> I believe some respect, humility and courtesy would be well placed.
>
> Regards,
>
> Regner Trampedach
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> Quoting philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>
> > Currently on NGO. there is a series on "How the Earth was created" Let
> us
> > take you back 50 billion years ago..
> >
> > Now I would find this tolerable if it were labeled and presented
> honestly. I
> > , like Paul am a Star trekkie. But unlike Paul, I cannot tolerate
> deception.
> > Stargate is labeled science fiction. The commentators on this show never
> > mention fiction or theory.. Everything is ,,,,"this happened...." this
> is
> > fact...
> >
> > There is no way anybody can tell us honestly what happened 5000 years
> ago,
> > let alone a million.. and here they are telling us facts of life 50
> Billion
> > years ago... If they dreamed back 50000 billion years they would not
> find an
> > answer to how it began from nothing... out of nothing.
> >
> > YET just watch how quickly these same men will jump on the story of the
> > flood, or the story of Jesus, because there are no accurate dependable
> > confirmable witnesses to give any impirical evidence..
> >
> > Give me a break Paul... Get honest..At least get fair.
> >
> > Philip.
>
>
>
>
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