Philip, Why assume an extra rotation, when the full translation cycle explains what we see - the same face of the Moon. The full translation cycle has the same effect as one rotation, but it's not called a rotation ( I looked in up in Jewiepedia ). Why does everything have to rotate? Plus it sure would be quite a coincidence for the moon's rotation to be such that we always only see one side of the moon, especially when the Earth would be rotating also. It actually also works against heliocentrists because who could believe their synchronized Moon rotation explanation? The odds are way against that type of order in an exploding universe. Bernie --- On Mon, 11/24/08, philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moon Rotation To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 1:52 PM So the movement of the Moon is a translation, but there is no rotation. The Moon is fixed within the rotating firmament. Bernie Bernie, look again at Pauls moon and see it orbit.. you will see it rotate/ Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: Bernie Brauer To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 1:19 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moon Rotation Paul, Yes, that looks like a fair representation. "All rigid body movements are rotations, translations, or combinations of the two." So the movement of the Moon is a translation, but there is no rotation. The Moon is fixed within the rotating firmament. Bernie --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moon Rotation To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 11:56 PM #yiv308599885 #yiv899752549 DIV { MARGIN:0px;} Bernie B You said to Philip -- From Bernie Brauer Sat Nov 22 07:58:12 2008 If you go dwon to your local day-care centre ( where toddlers get dropped off so mummie can go to work to help daddy pay 66% ALL-TOTAL taxation ) you will see a toy where you can slide a wooden sphere along a circular thin metal rod. So the sphere is fixed upon the circular rod and the same point always shows inward. I have attached an illustration of what I think you have described but with the small addition of a straight, thin, light, paper tube attached to the wooden ball so as to indicate visually that it always points to the centre. The ball -- with the indicator -- is shown travelling around the circular rod in a clock-wise direction. Is this a fair representation? Please indicate any reservations or arguments you may have. Paul D Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter Now.