[geocentrism] Re: Moon Rotation
- From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:37:49 +1000
Yes Allen..I let you have the last say. I am not game to say another thing as
regards what you said below, for the sake of the rest of us. Phil.
----- Original Message -----
From: allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 9:13 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Moon Rotation
Hey Phil,
The ball slides in and out from the center of its orbit..it does not
and cannot even if it wanted to rotate on a axis that runs though the ball
itself....!?
what part of "where is the moons majic rubber band's point of
reference in the universe for it's majic ruber band?. The earth..well no ..coz
the only progresive radial oreintaion that any poin on the moon makes lay in
the earth ....so where is this point of reference you attach your majic ruber
band too?!.....Hey , fellas.......any absolute RF is a GU postion not AC!?.."
did you not understand?..and again.. "cars on a race track do not rotate either
they only have one common pont from which any part of the vehicle makes a
progressive radial oreintaion to....its called center field! there is no
rotaion...maybe you should start again at kindergaurden because your post is
nonsense"...And Again.."Even Regner Did not agree with you!?.
the foolishness and inconsistentcy here is yours ...
--- On Tue, 11/25/08, philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
From: philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moon Rotation
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 3:01 PM
"I address all those other issues as well, on rotaion and
your acceleration questions..... Refresher" Allen said
You addressed them to yourself Allen.. You failed on all
counts to convince me that there was anything rational in what you said then or
now..
Take this little bit of contradiction in the one post..here
today below.. you said.
what forum did you wake up and think you or anyone here has
produced any kind of argument that has not been totaly and soundly deated in
both logic and experiment... ....???
go back and read Bernnies example of the ball on the stick
post. ...????
......you keep appealing to observation and reality but when
it is show to you, you jump back to imaginary rubber bands and frames of
reference that are not even valid in your own arguments!?...Like Bernies ball
on a stick perhaps.. allen?
Allen Bernie accepted the reality of the ball as a real
experiment, equal in reality to the kindergarten toy experiment.
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 3:11 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Moon Rotation
Paul,
I think you have it back wards....if there was a
rubber band on the moon where is tha band attached to?..it most certainly would
not twist wrt the earth.....go back and read Bernnies example of the ball on
the stick post.....you can find them at a kindergaurden.. cars on a race track
do not rotate either they only have one common pont from which any part of the
vehicle makes a progressive radial oreintaion to....its called center field!
there is no rotaion...maybe you should start again at kindergaurden because
your post is nonsense.
.I address all those other issues as well, on rotaion
and your acceleration questions..... Refresher:
Reproducable acceleraions are allways in every real
experiment ever performed detectable via optical gyros....that goes for your
"TWO CYLENDERS"..oh yea i already answered and addressed all of this months
ago......putting a different wrapping paper on it does not make it any more
valid..
....you are the one who is asleep inconsistent and
complelty out of touch with your own failed sense of reality verse your
feelings......you keep appealing to observation and reality but when it is show
to you, you jump back to imaginary rubber bands and frames of reference that
are not even valid in your own arguments!?.... ..where have you been?!..what
forum did you wake up and think you or anyone here has produced any kind of
argument that has not been totaly and soundly deated in both logic and
experiment....this is earth Paul.....come down to it.....the dream is
over.....:-)
--- On Tue, 11/25/08, Paul Deema
<paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moon Rotation
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 8:03 AM
Allen D
I'd ask you if the rubber band will twist
except that I have no doubt that it would end up in the same basket with your
failure to address the matter of whether the red 1 kg mass or the green 1 kg
mass would be in front at perihelion; whether the Moon would rotate on its axis
subsequent to the tragic disappearance of its primary at superior conjunction
(or indeed at any other time); and your pathetic avoidance of the problem of
the two cylinders, to wit "...I would be able to deduce by virtue of the fact
i could know beforehand what was really moving before I got in it.."
As far as I am concerned -- you can go back to
sleep.
Paul D
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From: "allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"
<allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, 25 November, 2008 3:34:45 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Moon Rotation
Your arguments are a joke!..where is the moons
majic ruber band ?...for that matter where is the moons majic rubber band's
point of reference in the universe for it's majic ruber band?. The earth..well
no ..coz the only progresive radial oreintaion that any poin on the moon makes
lay in the earth ....so where is this point of reference you attach your majic
ruber band too?!.....Hey , fellas.......any absolute RF is a GU postion not
AC!?...
"As has been mentioned previously by others, it
doesn't make a jot of difference what you believe, or what others believe --
what matters is what is."
Yea I think i have pointed this out once or
twice......
What point on the moon can you show a
progressive radial orientation to a some other point that lay in the moon
itself rather then at the earth..........oh that’s right ...you can't ...coz it
don’t exist in reality!....it only exist in your magical world of ridiculous
imagination..........Even Regner did not agree with you?!
I dont think we have to answer your imafinary
follishness until you can answer a simple question about realilty.........You
guys are confusing yourselfs with your own logic( lack therofe) and you dont
have a proper understanding of what rotaion is ...real, reproducable,
demonstratable rotaion in the real world not majic ruber bands and nonsense!
--- On Mon, 11/24/08, Paul Deema
<paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moon Rotation
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 10:59 PM
Bernie B
Well done -- no equivocation!
I've added to the drawing. There is now a
rubber band fitted between two hooks on the bottom of the ball and two hooks on
a fixed object mounted below the centre of the thin, circular metal rod.
I now ask you another question. If the ball is
propelled around the circle, will the rubber band show twisting? Further, will
the twisting not be in fact, one twist for each and every trip the ball makes
around the circle?
In another post this thread -- From philip
madsen Mon Nov 24 21:36:28 2008, he has presented you with excellent advice.
Study it, understand it. It is the truth.
In another post this thread -- From Bernie
Brauer Mon Nov 24 15:39:38 2008, you said -
It actually also works against heliocentrists
because
who could believe their synchronized Moon
rotation explanation?
The odds are way against that type of order in
an exploding universe.
As has been mentioned previously by others, it
doesn't make a jot of difference what you believe, or what others believe --
what matters is what is. Arguments about how many teeth a horse might have is
not the way to go. The way to go is to go and count them. Well metaphorically
speaking, so far as the phenomenon of synchronised orbits of moons is
concerned, the teeth have been counted. Most of the large moons in the solar
system have their rotations synchronised with their revolutions. Even further,
there is one planet which has an orbit where the rotation is synchronised with
the revolution though it is not 1:1 but rather 1.5:1. I'll not spoil your joy
of discovery though -- you'll be thrilled to discover it for yourself.
Paul D
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From: Bernie Brauer <bbrauer777@xxxxxxxxx>
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, 24 November, 2008 3:19:47 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moon Rotation
Paul,
Yes, that looks like a fair representation.
"All rigid body movements are rotations,
translations, or combinations of the two."
So the movement of the Moon is a translation,
but there
is no rotation. The Moon is fixed within the
rotating firmament.
Bernie
--- On Sun, 11/23/08, Paul Deema
<paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moon Rotation
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 11:56 PM
Bernie B
You said to Philip -- From Bernie Brauer Sat
Nov 22 07:58:12 2008
If you go dwon to your local day-care centre (
where toddlers get dropped off so mummie can go to work to help daddy pay 66%
ALL-TOTAL taxation ) you will see a toy where you can slide a wooden sphere
along a circular thin metal rod. So the sphere is fixed upon the circular rod
and the same point always shows inward.
I have attached an illustration of what I think
you have described but with the small addition of a straight, thin, light,
paper tube attached to the wooden ball so as to indicate visually that it
always points to the centre. The ball -- with the indicator -- is shown
travelling around the circular rod in a clock-wise direction.
Is this a fair representation? Please indicate
any reservations or arguments you may have.
Paul D
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