Paul, Yes, that looks like a fair representation. "All rigid body movements are rotations, translations, or combinations of the two." So the movement of the Moon is a translation, but there is no rotation. The Moon is fixed within the rotating firmament. Bernie --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moon Rotation To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 11:56 PM Bernie B You said to Philip -- From Bernie Brauer Sat Nov 22 07:58:12 2008 If you go dwon to your local day-care centre ( where toddlers get dropped off so mummie can go to work to help daddy pay 66% ALL-TOTAL taxation ) you will see a toy where you can slide a wooden sphere along a circular thin metal rod. So the sphere is fixed upon the circular rod and the same point always shows inward. I have attached an illustration of what I think you have described but with the small addition of a straight, thin, light, paper tube attached to the wooden ball so as to indicate visually that it always points to the centre. The ball -- with the indicator -- is shown travelling around the circular rod in a clock-wise direction. Is this a fair representation? Please indicate any reservations or arguments you may have. Paul D Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter Now.