[geocentrism] Re: Magnitude of scale
- From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:56:02 +1000
The axis is determined by the path of rotation at 90 degrees to
it...period!....., not aribrary imagination..that is the reason you cant see
your own error
That Allen is your own dogmatic opinion, and I am not obliged to either agree
with or follow it.. that is the reason niether I nor some others can see
(accept) your error.
Phillip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Daves
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 9:31 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Magnitude of scale
The axis is determined by the path of rotation at 90 degrees to
it...period!....., not aribrary imagination..that is the reason you cant see
your own error
philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
But Allen, you said.
but also it is in rotaion about the North Ecliptic Pole/axis,(NEP) with a
period/ rate of rotation of one year, around the sun. .............
But whether you like it of not and whether you accept it or not, this
annual rotation is also around the celestial axis, at a different axial angle.
Why do you insist an axis has to be at right angles to the rotational
plane??? I don't.. I would if it was a wheel with an axel, but it isn't? Its
not a wheel... Its a gyrating object called "earth". with a 23' angle of
gyration to its polar axis.
Philip..
----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Daves
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 2:33 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Magnitude of scale
Paul, i comment in Blue .....
Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Allen D
Well the body of the text is getting untidy so -- a new piece of paper.
At this time we have agreed that so long as an object on the line of
the axis of rotation of the Earth (or the stars) appears in the frame of the
camera, then that point will be the centre of circular star trails recorded
providing only that the camera has a fixed relationship with the Earth.
As Neville J puts it -
We attach the camera to the ground we stand on and we leave it alone
for the period in question.
If, when we develop the film, there is rotation of the stars about an
axis, then either the World has rotated and the stars are stationary (HC), or
the stars have rotated in the opposite direction whilst the World is stationary
(GC).Right...so how do we know which is which?......The only way to know the
difference is to look for the secondary rotation that HC/AC DEMANDS..for the
earth and any camera attached to it.......
But here is the sticking point (from the last post) -
It gets more difficult to visualise the other part. No it is not. It is
the exact same action, with the exact same stars, only a larger motion ..What
is difficult to visualise is the fact that we don't see it, when we see the
other for the same reasons, and yet you insist that it exist.......I do not
concede this point yet as there is a fundamental difference. no differenece
same action (rotaion about an axis) same stars, same camera... concede?..its a
indisputiable fact, if you wish to deny that, you can but that will allways be
the reason you cant fully appreciate the problem
In your comments above, I can perceive only one axis of rotation --
about the Earth Geographic Polar Axis which when extended becomes the Celestial
Polar Axis... We can't go any further untill you can understand the camera
fixed to a spot on the earth is itself is not only in rotaion nightly around
the NCP but also it is in rotaion about the North Ecliptic Pole/axis,(NEP) with
a period/ rate of rotation of one year, around the sun. .............
......I will address the rest of the post you we realy need to pause
here untill you can grasp this fact, which is a fact even according to HC/AC
..this fact is HC's dogma not GC's
.....................If that roation realy existed it would produce
trails of stars around that axis not just the celesital pole axis. the rate of
the two rotations is different but the rotaion either exist or it does not. if
it does there must be a path of the star whoese arc is dependent upon the
distance of the star to that axis.....there is no way around this..The fact is
there is no other paths I have admitted that this is the determining factor in
the focus of star trails obtained from a stationary camera nailed to the Earth.
All this is summed up in Philip M's words -
... All of the stars as observed on earth rotate around the celestial
axis for no other reason than that the world turns. YES, that is the point! If
the world "turns" (the correct term would be rotate in either case) around the
sun then it would show up, the fact that it does not show up proves the world
does not "turn" about the sun. If GC is spot on then the stars rotate around
this celestial earth axis. If HC is spot on, then no stars rotate anywhere, NO,
the stars rotate around the earth nightly that is what produces star trails ..?
and certainly not around the ecliptic.... [Emphasis added].
Further down he alludes to changing the Earth's axis of rotation. At
this time, I pose the question, what would be the effect of changing the
Earth's attitude so as to bring its axis of rotation -- its Geographical Polar
Axis -- into alignment with the Ecliptic Polar Axis?
What? how do you change the earths axis or rotaion?...(if you did that
you would in effect only have one axis not two axis, unless the baseline
distance did matter) ..YOu cant change the axis or make them equivilant,
therfore, this "thought experiment" does not nor will not affect what is under
discussion...We are looking at the two axis that the earth does rotate on in
the HC system and how that must manifest itself in the sky..?.....the two axis
do not "mask" each other nor are they even capable of such in the HC/AC
system...
I suggest that, in the heliocentric scenario, the effect would be to
make the NCP the new focus of nightly star trails, The NCP is the focus of
nightly star trails..? all other conditions previously agreed remaining true.
In the geocentric scenario, the universe's axis of rotation would have to be
changed at the same time...?? what are you talking about?...In GC the universe
rotates on one axis only and produces one motion attributed to rotation...in HC
the earth rotates on two separate and distinct axis of rotation and must be
able to demonstrate both for the same reasons that the nightly one does...
I'll pause here till you respond on this question.
Paul D
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