[geocentrism] Re: Magnitude of scale
- From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 09:11:13 -0800 (PST)
Phil,
If only your comment had any bering on the actual mechanics we were
discussing you would have a point ..none.. However, it does not! So please tell
us why do you keep grasping at examples that don't reflect or have any
relevance to what we are talking about to make a point about what we are
discussing?...I also gave you this in the last post...This is relevant, because
this is what is under discussion and consideration....
.....http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cookie_setting_error.html the axis of
2d rotation (not 2d objects, only 2d rotation by definition) is always
perpendicular to the xy plane...!? that is geometry Phil not Allen......
Even Regners mention of the 3% elliptical will not help his cause either.
Because the period of the osculation can't negate the observable state of
rotational without negating the real rotational state itself which is what
your example is about....(in both a internal as well as external observers ref
frame)........!?
philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Allen said,
"The axis is determined by the path of rotation at 90 degrees to
it...period!.....,." . then later quotes this dictionary,
"Dictionary.com....Axis: .A straight line about which a body or geometric
object rotates or may be conceived to rotate. or the center around which
something rotates..."
Allen, where is the 90 degrees mentioned in the latter.. But I do accept
both your statements combined as follows and slightly modified to accurately
complete it. . I have not denied anything above anywhere.
Axis: .A straight line about which a body or object rotates at right angles
to the average plane of rotation .
Now seeing as you love to talk vibrations.
Please tell me what is the axis of a body rotating horizontally one
revolution per second around a centre point C and has a sine wave oscillation
of 10 Hz per revolution, with a peak amplitude 10 degrees above and below the
horizontal plane .
When you have worked that out, and it needs no maths, do this one. No math
either.
What is the axis of a body rotating horizontally one revolution per second
around a centre point C and has a sine wave oscillation of one Hz per
revolution, with a peak amplitude 23 degrees above and below the horizontal
plane .
You should be able to see this graphically in a second.. and the answer is
one word. And I am not upset.. I have no feelings, except pleasure and pain.
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Daves
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 1:44 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Magnitude of scale
Philip,
......The issue is not the roation on the nightly axis, it is roation around
the sun or annual rotation...It is rotaion not because of my opinion. It is MS
and everyones else definition of rotation!?.... Dont blame the messenger
Philip. look at the diagram. Regarudless, of how you "feel" or what you "think"
about it or what the rate of the nightly rotaion is 23h56 min v 24 hours that
is irrelevant. The condition as outlined in the diagram takes place every 24
hours by MS definitions. over the course of a year it prescibes a
rotaion......This even by MS not Allen' opinon is defined as rotataion...if you
reject it you reject the very thing you use to make your arguments with....LOL
Rotation: 3. a single complete turn (axial or orbital); "the
plane made three rotations before it crashed"; "the revolution of the earth
about the sun takes one year"
you responded to my commets here ......The axis is determined by the path of
rotation at 90 degrees to it...period!....., not aribrary imagination..that is
the reason you cant see your own error
Phil: "That Allen is your own dogmatic opinion, and I am not obliged to either
agree with or follow it.. that is the reason niether I nor some others can
see (accept) your error."
LOL.....
Dictionary.com....Axis: .A straight line about which a body or geometric
object rotates or may be conceived to rotate. or the center around which
something rotates...
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cookie_setting_error.html the axis of 2d
rotation (not 2d objects, only 2d rotation by definition) is always
perpendicular to the xy plane...!? that is geometry Phil not
Allen......LOL.......look at the attached diagram again....
.I find it interesteing that you seem to be upset. I would have thought as a
"card carring Geocentrist" you would be rather pleased as a "geocentrist" that
MS defintions support and even make GC's case...? Notice you don't see and i
very seriously doubt that Regner would ever attempt to use your
argument...........:-)
<pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
 Are we all agreed so far?
Neville
Not entirely sure yet.. Neville said,
3. The World takes 23h 56m 4.091s to rotate once about its axis.
I am no math person, but instinct tells me that the 4 minutes is taken off
because of the increment of rotation needed to be caught up, due to the alleged
orbiting of the earth. It is not specifically the true spin rate.
It is 24 hours from sun rise to sun rise. Therefore in the HC scene, as the
sun is stationary, the real rotation is once in 24 hours.. the other figure is
a mathmatical compute to justify the differential in observation of the other
stars caused by the orbit al change in location.
Like I said.. Its only instinctive.. but I saw a diagram once somewhere. And
someone has to answer the connundrum I gave to Allen re the moon, and what IS
spin.
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Neville Jones
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 11:29 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Magnitude of scale
This debate is fun, isn't it?
:-)
Let's all calm down and see what we can agree upon. In the following, I am
referring ONLY to the heliocentric (= acentric) system.
1. The camera must not be manipulated by the operator, other than to determine
how long to keep the shutter open for. In particular, the camera must not be
reorientated for the period of the exposure. This will ensure that whatever
movement we capture on film will be due to the World's motion.
2. A size of R (= the radius of the World) or 1AU are both insignificant when
compared to the distances to the stars.
3. The World takes 23h 56m 4.091s to rotate once about its axis.
4. The World takes 365.25 solar days to orbit the Sun.
5. The difference between a solar day and a sidereal day is approx. 4 mins.
Are we all agreed so far?
Neville
www.GeocentricUniverse.com
-----Original Message-----
From: pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:56:02 +1000
The axis is determined by the path of rotation at 90 degrees to
it...period!....., not aribrary imagination..that is the reason you cant see
your own error
That Allen is your own dogmatic opinion, and I am not obliged to either agree
with or follow it.. that is the reason niether I nor some others can see
(accept) your error.
Phillip.
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