[geocentrism] Re: Adam and Eve
- From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 09:02:43 -0800 (PST)
Philip,
it is not a translation issue..it is a chronological issue..2 peter 3 is not
teaching a diferent choron then Genisis..here is what that argument misses.....
Genesis 1
1. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face
of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from
the darkness.
5. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the
evening and the morning were the first day.
1.The earth was present on day one...it was formless but there...?
2. The waters were divided on day 2 & 3... from the condition of standing in
and out of the waters.......to seas and waters above the firament.....?
6. And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and
let it divide the waters from the waters.
7. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the
firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were
the second day.
9. And God said, Let the waters under the Heaven be gathered together unto
one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the
waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11. And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed,
and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon
the earth: and it was so.
12. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind,
and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God
saw that it was good.
13. And the evening and the morning were the third day.
3.. The most importaint point is that this all took place in the first 6 days
of creation thus you cannot hold 2peter3 as teaching that this condition
existed after the 6 days ..?
4. 2peter 3 is not discusing the flood exclusivly it is discusing the whol
creation acount up to the time of the flood...context is everything......
Phillip Stott <pstott@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Sorry Allen,
I think you must have a "wild" translation of Genesis.
Until the third day the only physical material mentioned is water. Land did
not put in any sort of appearance until the waters above and the waters below
had been separated by the firmament of the heavens ("space" in today's
parlance). I take it that the land was made out of the water (which 2 Peter 3
seems consistent with). Interesting parallel with Jesus' first miracle - start
with water and end up with something a bit more complex!
Blessings
Philip Stott
----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Daves
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 11:22 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Adam and Eve
1. Personally i subscribe to the expanding earth theory for where all the
water in the flood came from as well as where it went........ As for standing
in the water and out of the water it did so untill he divided the waters from
the waters and then at that the waters were above and below the
firmemant.....so the divison of waters took place at the creation not
demonstratably having anything to do with the flood ....... I personaly don't
belive in the water canopy theory nor do i think it is even nessisary to
explain the per flood world consistaint with the bible....Im not saying it is
not possible, only that i think the evidence supports a much more consistent
and better model.........
2. I belive the stars would have looked differently for serval reasons having
to do with the expanding earth theory...a more dense and clearer atmosphere, as
wellas the fact that the theory also suggest that the land masses themselfs
would all have been in relieve different areas of the globe in relation to the
background stars the they are today. It is important to note that many ancient
records indicate that the stars traveled perpendicular to the solar axis rather
then at 23.44o they do to day. This is not widely known and even those who do
often ignore thisas just ancient "gossip" and do not consider it much. I think
it is significant particularly in the expanding pre flood earth model as well
as Dodwell's curve.
3.The bible tells us that God stretched out the heavens..in 17 places i think
it is....if God screeched out the heavens the stars could be billions of light
years away now, where as when God first made the heavens Adam and Eve could
have seen them from a lot closer.. We don?t know what the rate of God?s
expansion was nor do we know if the rate stayed constant or if he is still
doing it.....We only know he did it. I personally believe that the stars and
universe are far larger then even the current modern cosmology claims.
Steven Jones <steven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: On behalf of Peter:
Adam and Eve seeing all stars on the day they where created, a certain
view is that for the 6000 years since Mans creation, 7000 including
Jesus 1000 year reign before he hands the restored creation back to his
Father in perfection, that we are therefore still in Gods 7th day of
rest, and that therefore, the previous days of creation would logically
also have each been 7000 years, what are your thoughs on this view and
would it make any differance to your model of the small universe?
A second point I have allways been interested in, before the flood, the
Earth was said to be in the midst of Water, yet standing compactly out
of water, and it was by these means that the flood came, or as Genisis
says, the waters above the firmanent, so I wonder, if Adam was viewing
the stars through a water mantle in say the position of the
thermasphere, do you think the stars would have looked differant to Adam
than to us?
Kind regards
Peter Charlton
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