[geocentrism] Re: Adam and Eve
- From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 10:46:40 -0800 (PST)
if it were true that day one condition existed untill the time of the flood you
would also have to accept then that there were no annimals at the time of the
flood either..???
Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: staning in the waters and out
of the waters in Genisins as well as 2 peter 3 only applies untill day 2&3
..what dont you understand..it was on thoes days that it was separated out..?
2peter 3 is a sequence, it starts at creation and goes to the flood but incudes
all 6 days of creation not that day one of creation was the same enviroment as
the time of the flood..!? Day 2&3 the condition that existed on day one with
the earth stanind in and out of the waters does not exist anymore .!?
PETER CHARLTON <peter.nambo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Sorry Allen, Iam not
sure what you are saying?
The way I see 2nd Peter 3 is that its likening the last days before Christs
2nd coming, as to the last days of the pre-flood world at the time of Noah,
nothing to do with creation, but that the waters where still above the
firmanent until used by God to bring destruction upon a world of ungodly men.
2PET 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days
scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
2PET 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers
fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the
creation.
2PET 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the
heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2PET 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
So I cannot see the point you are making about contridicting the Genisis
accouint?, I consider it supports the Genisis accouint of the waters that where
above the firmanent untill the day God used them to bring the flood.
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Daves
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 4:54 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Adam and Eve
Peter,
this verse is restating the creation account in order to the flood it is not
about the flood exclusivly thus you cannot make the argument without assuming
it is saying somthing about the preflood world...1 differntly then the Genisis
account and 2. without contridicting that very genisis account
PETER CHARLTON <peter.nambo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
2nd Peter 3 says the "Standing in the midst of water was the source
of the flood, "5 For, according to their wish, this fact escapes their notice,
that there were heavens from of old and an earth standing compactly out of
water and in the midst of water by the word of God; 6 and by those [means] the
world of that time suffered destruction when it was deluged with water."
A water mantle being in place one minute, then falling to Earth would account
for the very many animals, mammoths and the like, that have been found frozen
solid, but fresh enough to eat when thawed, with green grass still in thier
mouths, something happened instantly to turn warm grasslands into frozen wastes
before flesh even had a chance to decay.
Likewise the remains of tropical rainforests beneath the ice caps.
The first appearence of a rainbow after the flood when presumably the light
from the sun would have appeared differantly, no longer passing through a water
canopy.
The change in the lifetime of man from around 900 years old, to around 120
being now exposed to the full radiation spectrum of the sun, no longer shielded
by a water canopy.
Iam unfamiliar with the expanding earth theory so will look this up and see
if said model can explain the above points, better than the Biblical given
account.
Pete
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