[geocentrism] Re: Adam and Eve
- From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 10:39:43 -0800 (PST)
2 Peter 3
1. This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir
up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2. That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy
prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
3. Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers,
walking after their own lusts,
4. And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell
asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the
heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6. Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
these verse outline a chonology of events from creation to the flood, not the
source of the flood waters...!?
----- Original Message -----
From: PETER CHARLTON
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 10:07 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Adam and Eve
2nd Peter 3 says the "Standing in the midst of water was the source of the
flood, "5 For, according to their wish, this fact escapes their notice, that
there were heavens from of old and an earth standing compactly out of water and
in the midst of water by the word of God; 6 and by those [means] the world of
that time suffered destruction when it was deluged with water."
A water mantle being in place one minute, then falling to Earth would account
for the very many animals, mammoths and the like, that have been found frozen
solid, but fresh enough to eat when thawed, with green grass still in thier
mouths, something happened instantly to turn warm grasslands into frozen wastes
before flesh even had a chance to decay.
Likewise the remains of tropical rainforests beneath the ice caps.
The first appearence of a rainbow after the flood when presumably the light
from the sun would have appeared differantly, no longer passing through a water
canopy.
The change in the lifetime of man from around 900 years old, to around 120
being now exposed to the full radiation spectrum of the sun, no longer shielded
by a water canopy.
Iam unfamiliar with the expanding earth theory so will look this up and see
if said model can explain the above points, better than the Biblical given
account.
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Daves
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 9:22 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Adam and Eve
1. Personally i subscribe to the expanding earth theory for where all the
water in the flood came from as well as where it went........ As for standing
in the water and out of the water it did so untill he divided the waters from
the waters and then at that the waters were above and below the
firmemant.....so the divison of waters took place at the creation not
demonstratably having anything to do with the flood ....... I personaly don't
belive in the water canopy theory nor do i think it is even nessisary to
explain the per flood world consistaint with the bible....Im not saying it is
not possible, only that i think the evidence supports a much more consistent
and better model.........
2. I belive the stars would have looked differently for serval reasons having
to do with the expanding earth theory...a more dense and clearer atmosphere, as
wellas the fact that the theory also suggest that the land masses themselfs
would all have been in relieve different areas of the globe in relation to the
background stars the they are today. It is important to note that many ancient
records indicate that the stars traveled perpendicular to the solar axis rather
then at 23.44o they do to day. This is not widely known and even those who do
often ignore thisas just ancient "gossip" and do not consider it much. I think
it is significant particularly in the expanding pre flood earth model as well
as Dodwell's curve.
3.The bible tells us that God stretched out the heavens..in 17 places i think
it is....if God screeched out the heavens the stars could be billions of light
years away now, where as when God first made the heavens Adam and Eve could
have seen them from a lot closer.. We don?t know what the rate of God?s
expansion was nor do we know if the rate stayed constant or if he is still
doing it.....We only know he did it. I personally believe that the stars and
universe are far larger then even the current modern cosmology claims.
Steven Jones <steven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: On behalf of Peter:
Adam and Eve seeing all stars on the day they where created, a certain
view is that for the 6000 years since Mans creation, 7000 including
Jesus 1000 year reign before he hands the restored creation back to his
Father in perfection, that we are therefore still in Gods 7th day of
rest, and that therefore, the previous days of creation would logically
also have each been 7000 years, what are your thoughs on this view and
would it make any differance to your model of the small universe?
A second point I have allways been interested in, before the flood, the
Earth was said to be in the midst of Water, yet standing compactly out
of water, and it was by these means that the flood came, or as Genisis
says, the waters above the firmanent, so I wonder, if Adam was viewing
the stars through a water mantle in say the position of the
thermasphere, do you think the stars would have looked differant to Adam
than to us?
Kind regards
Peter Charlton
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