[geocentrism] Re: Adam and Eve
- From: "Phillip Stott" <pstott@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:18:11 +0200
Hi Peter,
The context is very clear - we are out in the regions of the sun and moon, the
stars and going higher - to the uttermost. This echoes Genesis 1. No matter
what "heavens" can mean, it is obvious what it does mean here.
Blessings
Philip Stott
----- Original Message -----
From: PETER CHARLTON
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 3:48 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Adam and Eve
Hi Phillip, Psalm 148 does indeed say "
4 Praise him, YOU heavens of the heavens,
And YOU waters that are above the heavens.
But an examination of the Bible is required to understand the Biblical
meaning of the word "Heavens" for we read in Psalm 8:8
"8 The birds of heaven and the fish of the sea,"
There are very many references to the Flying creatures of the Heavens in the
Bible, so unless we asume birds can fly amongst the stars, we can see Heavens
can simply refer to the sky.
As for the waters still beingthere, The scripture I quoted in a previous post
from 2nd Peter 3 shows it was "by these means that the flood came,
And Psalm 104 states, "
5 He has founded the earth upon its established places;
It will not be made to totter to time indefinite, or forever.
6 With a watery deep just like a garment you covered it.
The waters were standing above the very mountains.
7 At your rebuke they began to flee;
At the sound of your thunder they were sent running in panic-
8 Mountains proceeded to ascend,
Valley plains proceeded to descend-
To the place that you have founded for them.
9 A boundary you set, beyond which they should not pass,
That they should not again cover the earth.
Once again a reference to the water Canopy standing above the mountains and
then verse 7 we can presume to be the flood with the result in verse 8 that the
weight of the water now on the Earth caused the Mountains to ascend and the
valleys to descend as the weight of the water settled into the lowest points
and over the period of the year Noah was in the Ark, distorted the crust of the
Earth forming the sea basins and the mountainous regions.
I wonder if this water weight could also be responsible for the seperating of
the continental plates as described in the expanding earth theory advocated in
another post?
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillip Stott
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 1:07 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Adam and Eve
Trouble with the water mantle idea is there is not much enthusiasm for its
existence except as an interpretation for the "waters above" of Genesis 1. But
the context makes it clear that the "waters above" are beyond the stars and
Psalm 148 makes it clear they are still there. I suspect they are the
explanation of the 3K background - oh see how the Big-Bangers scoff and scorn!.
Blessings
Philip Stott
----- Original Message -----
From: PETER CHARLTON
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 10:07 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Adam and Eve
2nd Peter 3 says the "Standing in the midst of water was the source of
the flood, "5 For, according to their wish, this fact escapes their notice,
that there were heavens from of old and an earth standing compactly out of
water and in the midst of water by the word of God; 6 and by those [means] the
world of that time suffered destruction when it was deluged with water."
A water mantle being in place one minute, then falling to Earth would
account for the very many animals, mammoths and the like, that have been found
frozen solid, but fresh enough to eat when thawed, with green grass still in
thier mouths, something happened instantly to turn warm grasslands into frozen
wastes before flesh even had a chance to decay.
Likewise the remains of tropical rainforests beneath the ice caps.
The first appearence of a rainbow after the flood when presumably the
light from the sun would have appeared differantly, no longer passing through a
water canopy.
The change in the lifetime of man from around 900 years old, to around
120 being now exposed to the full radiation spectrum of the sun, no longer
shielded by a water canopy.
Iam unfamiliar with the expanding earth theory so will look this up and
see if said model can explain the above points, better than the Biblical given
account.
Pete
----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Daves
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 9:22 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Adam and Eve
1. Personally i subscribe to the expanding earth theory for where all
the water in the flood came from as well as where it went........ As for
standing in the water and out of the water it did so untill he divided the
waters from the waters and then at that the waters were above and below the
firmemant.....so the divison of waters took place at the creation not
demonstratably having anything to do with the flood ....... I personaly don't
belive in the water canopy theory nor do i think it is even nessisary to
explain the per flood world consistaint with the bible....Im not saying it is
not possible, only that i think the evidence supports a much more consistent
and better model.........
2. I belive the stars would have looked differently for serval reasons
having to do with the expanding earth theory...a more dense and clearer
atmosphere, as wellas the fact that the theory also suggest that the land
masses themselfs would all have been in relieve different areas of the globe in
relation to the background stars the they are today. It is important to note
that many ancient records indicate that the stars traveled perpendicular to the
solar axis rather then at 23.44o they do to day. This is not widely known and
even those who do often ignore thisas just ancient "gossip" and do not consider
it much. I think it is significant particularly in the expanding pre flood
earth model as well as Dodwell's curve.
3.The bible tells us that God stretched out the heavens..in 17 places i
think it is....if God screeched out the heavens the stars could be billions of
light years away now, where as when God first made the heavens Adam and Eve
could have seen them from a lot closer.. We don't know what the rate of God's
expansion was nor do we know if the rate stayed constant or if he is still
doing it.....We only know he did it. I personally believe that the stars and
universe are far larger then even the current modern cosmology claims.
Steven Jones <steven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On behalf of Peter:
Adam and Eve seeing all stars on the day they where created, a
certain
view is that for the 6000 years since Mans creation, 7000 including
Jesus 1000 year reign before he hands the restored creation back to
his
Father in perfection, that we are therefore still in Gods 7th day of
rest, and that therefore, the previous days of creation would
logically
also have each been 7000 years, what are your thoughs on this view
and
would it make any differance to your model of the small universe?
A second point I have allways been interested in, before the flood,
the
Earth was said to be in the midst of Water, yet standing compactly
out
of water, and it was by these means that the flood came, or as
Genisis
says, the waters above the firmanent, so I wonder, if Adam was
viewing
the stars through a water mantle in say the position of the
thermasphere, do you think the stars would have looked differant to
Adam
than to us?
Kind regards
Peter Charlton
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