Paul Deema wrote:
Jack L
I'm slipping badly. I missed two points in your
second post which deserve attention.
First, your point that the Earth just happening to
be the Center of Everything. If you understand Kepler and Newton, you
cannot hold this view.
"Our sun, which would comprise the center of the solar system, with
its planets, moon, etc., would revolve, with thousands of other similar
solar systems, around another far distant center. All these solar
systems, with their grand center, would revolve around still another,
and this would in like manner depend upon a still greater one. This
process of multiplication of centers and augmentation of the general
system would continue without limit, no final center ever being
reached. The physical universe would be without a definitely fixed
pivot. A spiritual system fabulated upon such an astronomical system
would necessarily leave out of the question a central and personal mind
as the governor of the universe, hence the atheistic origin of thought,
and atheism as a belief."
- Reed in discussing the concave Earth hypothesis and the evils of
Copernican thought in the light of a creator.
Steven.
Second, living things -- in the natural origins
paradigm -- did not come about by randomness and chance. There are many
things which influence the way substances associate or avoid
association. Examples include chemical bonding -- every time it rains
some car owner looks out and bemoans all that 'rust falling from the
sky'. There are an enormous number of these chemical reactions which
are entirely predictable. There are electrical forces which have
similar but I think less ubiquitous behaviours. Then there is shape.
Just as a burr will stick to a blanket -- the velcroe tactic -- so
molecules fit to other molecules and stay associated because of that
shape. Surface tension is a natural attractor and will play a part.
Since my knowledge is distinctly less than all that is available to be
known, it's a fair bet that there are many other such mechanisms. Then
there is the fact that many functions found in life have more than one
solution. If I remember correctly jelly fish do not have blood -- the
oxygen their cells require is carried by sea water. Humans have blood
which relies for its oxygen carrying abilities on that affinity of iron
for oxygen to which I alluded above. Crabs and other crustaceans
utilise copper. It's not as efficient as iron -- but it works. This
might help to explain why we bathe in hot water and travel by car while
crabs live in the mud and scavenge for detritus. Another example of
different ways to do things, is to look at eyes. There are a number of
fundamentally different designs for eyes all of which have one thing in
common -- a cell or cells which give an electrical output when light
falls upon them. But their different shapes and structure all
demonstrate that there is more than one way to skin a cat and chance
will play a part which way is chosen.
Paul D
PS Another post has arrived while this was being written.
Dear Paul,
You had already accepted on 'blind' faith abiogenesis so what
is so different about geocentrism?
Jack
It isn't blind as this post will indicate. Regarding
geocentrism -- again, Kepler and Newton.
Last for tonight -- must get some sleep.
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